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turret
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I personally think that it should be legal cause it doesnt hurt anybody and everyone has the right to marry who they love.

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GoblinD
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People still need a place to live in. Most families buy their home and most lone people also do that eventually.

Kasic
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I gave two examples for how the corrent marriage system isn't fit for gay couples and it should be enough.


Not really, I can't think of more than one, and even then it's not a good example or supporting point, it was barely touched, and boils down to "gay people shouldn't get tax breaks"

For darvinistic, its a scientific term for how nature explains things. Like Darvin explained things, that im not going to get into if they are right or no, I was using the term


DarWinistic. I had thought you might mean that, there was no guy named "Darvin" it's "Darwin"

For the 6% tons of sources but it really doesn't matter if its 2%, 10% or whatever so I'm not going to wast time finding a source, hell maybe I was even a few percent off.


If you're going to make a specific claim, back it up, don't just say, "You should know"

devorse were the husbant keeps paying the wife.


Oh here's reason that's not quite a reason #2! So, you have it stuck in your head that the mother has to be the one to take care of the kids?

Goblin, there's more to it than tax breaks. There are things that marriage also entitles, like if your spouse is in a coma, you speak for them, or just being recognized as a couple, things like that. You do realize that all of your arguments are based on human nature, not gay people in particular? It's far from out of the question that a heterosexual couple married to get a tax break.
MageGrayWolf
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For duel-sexuality- yes its bisexuality in English. Here's my poor and way below average English skills in this forum.


Yeah that's not a requirement for a child to turn out gay.

tax benefits, devorse were the husbant keeps paying the wife.


Gay couples should be allowed to raise a family if they so desire so they should get the tax breaks so there go your for point of pigheadedness. As I had already pointed out your views on marriage are archaic, you make it sound as if other arrangements couldn't be worked out. Such arrangements could actually end up benefiting the system to break away from dogmatic views that should be broken away from anyway. So giving this could actually have unforeseen positive effects on the law in cases of divorce.

I didnt liked Darwins father too. Be my guest.


That made absolutely no sense what so ever. But since you asked here are my links, feel free to read them at your leisure but likely ignore them and remain in your ignorant state where I and others will have to beat you with facts at a later date when the topic more specific to evolution crops up.

29+ Cases for Macroevolution
An Account of a Debate with a Creationist
An Account of the 1993 Creation Conference
All About Archaeopteryx
Ancient Molecules and Modern Myths
Arachaeopteryx: Answering the Challenge of the Fossil Record
Are Mutations Harmful?
Attributing False Attributes to Thermodynamics
Bombadier Beetles and the Argument of Design
The 'Burdick Print'
Creationism and the Platypus
Creationist Arguments: Java Man
Creationist Arguments: The Monkey Quote
Creationist Arguments: Neandertals
Creationist Arguments: Peking Man
A Creationist Exposed: Gish
Creationist Whppoers
Creationists and Pithecanthropines
The Creation Research Society's Creed
Darwin's Black Box: Irredicule Complexity or Irrepoducible Irreducibility?
Digit Numbering and Limb Development
Dino Blood Redux
Dinosaur Footprints in Coal
Dinosaur Valley State Park
Do Human Tracks Occur in the Kayenta of Arizona?
Debate: Edwards vs. Aguillard
Entropy, Disorder and Life
Evidence for Evolution
The Evolution of Improved Fitness
The Evolution of the Woodpecker's Tongue
Five Major Misconceptions About Evolution
Fossil Hominids: The Evidence for Evolution
Fossil Hominids: Lucy
Genetic Algorithims and Evolutionary Computation
Geologic References in the Paluxy Controversy
How Good are those Young Earth Arguments: A Close Look at Dr. Hovind's List of Young-Earth Arguments and Other Claims
Horse Evolution: Hyrocatherium and Hyrax
IRC Graduate School Catalogue and List of Publications
Images of Neandertals
Information Theory and Creationism: Spetner and Biological Information
Jury-Rigged Design
Kansas Evolution Hearings
Lucy's Knee Joint
A Matter of Degree: Carl Baugh's Alleged Credentials
Observed Instances of Speciation
On Archaeopteryx, Astronomers and Forgery
On the Heels of Dinosaurs
The Origin of Whales and the Power of Independent Evidence
An Overview of Dinosaur Tracking
Peking Man and Homo erectus
Plaigiarised Errors and Molecular Genetics
Publish or Perish: Some Published Works on Biochemical Evolution
A Response to Ashby Camps 'Critique'
Response to Casey Luskin
A Response to Wayne Jackson
Review: Bones of Contention
A Review of IRC's Impact Article 151
A Review of NBC's 'The Mysterious Origins of Man'
Review: Science of Today and the Problems of Genesis
Review: The Image of God
Sauropods, Elephants,Weightlifters
Sea-Monster or Shark?
Scientific Creationism and Error
Scientists Challenge Claim for 60,000 year old Mungo DNA
The Second Law of Thermodynamics, Evolution and Probability
Suspicious Creationist Credentials
A Tale of Two Teeth
The Taylor Site 'Man Tracks'
Ted Holden's Frequent Questions Answered
Ted Holden's World
The Texas Dinosaur/'Man Track' Controversy
Transitional Vertevrate Fossils FAQ
A Visit to the IRC Museum

Lets Test Them: Evolution vs. Creationism
Irrefutable Proof of Evolution- Part 1 (mtDNA, ERVs, Fusion)
Proof of Evolution - Part 2 (Summation)
Proof of Evolution - Part 3 (Atavisms and Fossils- censored)
How Evolution Works- Introduction (Part I)
How Evolution Works- Forces (Part 2)
How Evolution Works Part 3- DNA
How Evolution Works Part 4- Mutations
How Evolution Works Part 5- Natural Selection
How Evolution Works 6- The Constraints of Evolution
How Evolution Works 7: Speciation
Evidence for Evolution, Part I
Evidence for Evolution, Part II
Evidence for Evolution, Part III
Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker
The Evolution of the Flagellum
Evolution of the Bombardier Beetle
How Evolution Causes an Increase in Information, Part I
How Evolution Causes an Increase in Information, Part II
6 -- Natural Selection Made Easy
7 -- The Theory of Evolution Made Easy
GoblinD
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Whatever i don't feel like writing things over again just to bring something small up again every post. You all know my opinion, I'm out.

sprooschicken
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Alright mage.


Is that an OK, you'll read it, or you agree, or your dismissing it? Be more specific considering the vast quantities of evidence he just presented to you
akqpars
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Is that an OK, you'll read it, or you agree, or your dismissing it? Be more specific considering the vast quantities of evidence he just presented to you

Its not a challenge to look for. But to reach yourself between these existing vast interprations.
MageGrayWolf
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Is that an OK, you'll read it, or you agree, or your dismissing it? Be more specific considering the vast quantities of evidence he just presented to you


Don't worry about it. This isn't exactly the thread to delve to deep into the topic.
Anyway to keep this more on topic here's an article on how homosexuality could be explained through evolutionary processes. Though the article does appear a bit dated being from 2008.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13674-evolution-myths-natural-selection-cannot-explain-homosexuality.html
sprooschicken
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very interesting, it only ads to my point that homosexuality is completely natural

grimml
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Mage, you're my hero!

Whatever i don't feel like writing things over again just to bring something small up again every post. You all know my opinion, I'm out.

You didn't really bring up good reasons. At least that's how I see it...
Xzeno
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it only ads to my point that homosexuality is completely natural
Fallacious appeal to nature. Whether or not something is natural has nothing to do with whether it should be considered moral or legal.

Mage, you're my hero!
I'd be more keen to credit the people who wrote the article(s) >
grimml
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Fallacious appeal to nature. Whether or not something is natural has nothing to do with whether it should be considered moral or legal.

You're right but this was just the answer to :

i dont think their should be gay marrige because it is going against human nature
sprooschicken
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grimmi your my hero and my nemesis, I was just about to post that when I noticed you had defended my argument for me and also beat me to the punch.

Jefferysinspiration
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I agree with jefferysinspiration. It's supposed to help with family life, and it does. So when gay couples marry they should have the same rights in case they want to start a family.


@ Goblin - pretty much summed up for you ^

Nothing to do with apartments, why would that come into it?

It's money for childrens welfare. I thought i'd made that clear but apparently not. Money is often supplied to help family life - as in to help educational needs etc.
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I'm not against gay marriage, To each his or her own.

thefoothills
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Every one should be able to wed. It's been said before but i'll say it again. No one should be denied the right to be married and misserible. But just economically it would be worth it. States should be drooling at the prospect of revenue from marriage and divorce whether it be same sex or not.

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