So you are saying that I couldn't punch you in the face?
What are you talking about? Of course you could.
Your right, you are making no sense, so why not just believe in nothing? Or, if you wish to believe in something, try believing in what is there. We have a pretty universe here, especially without your pixies and magic.
Why does everyone on this forum try to put words in my mouth? I never said I believed in pixies or magic. I am actually offended that you even said that.
To you it might not make sense, but to me it does. Maybe I should clarify. I meant that I would much rather believe in something that doesn't make sense to you, but makes sense to me, than not to believe in nothing at all.
I am satisfied with an answer, even if the answer is wrong. I cannot stand an inconclusive answer, and to not believe in something greater makes me feel terrible.
I do believe in what is now, but I cannot believe that there is no other purpose for me than to live, breed, and die.
I believe that I am a soul that has a body because I choose to believe so.
Believing something doesn't make it real. So it really doesn't matter what your faith says that is completely baseless, thus fooling to follow.
I would much rather believe something that makes no sense than to believe in nothing.
Then why not believe in things that have objective evidence backing it rather than your own wishful thinking and imagination?
I am satisfied with an answer, even if the answer is wrong. I cannot stand an inconclusive answer, and to not believe in something greater makes me feel terrible.
So basically your saying you don't care about the truth?
Believing something doesn't make it real. So it really doesn't matter what your faith says that is completely baseless, thus fooling to follow.
I never said it is real. It is baseless. I choose to believe what I want.
Then why not believe in things that have objective evidence backing it rather than your own wishful thinking and imagination?
I do believe in science. It makes all the sense in the world. I can believe in both, can I not? As long as they don't contradict, and they don't, then why can't I believe in both?
So basically your saying you don't care about the truth?
If scientists say one day that there is a god, I will believe that. If they say there is none, then I will believe that. Until that it is 100% confirmed, no doubt, I will believe that there are greater beings and all my "foolish" ideas.
And stop assuming that I don't care about the truth. I do. I don't do it to you, so stop doing it to me.
It's more of an inference based on your assertions. You claim to believe in things which have absolutely no supporting evidence and which, by their very nature, are contrary to logic and reason, yet you claim to be concerned with truth. Well, truth is defined as "that which conforms with reality", and things with no evidence and which are contrary to all evidence we have, and all deductive reasoning on the subject, are almost always going to end up not being true.
I never said it is real. It is baseless. I choose to believe what I want.
That is a contradictory statement. Your believing a baseless claim to be true, thus real.
If scientists say one day that there is a god, I will believe that. If they say there is none, then I will believe that. Until that it is 100% confirmed, no doubt, I will believe that there are greater beings and all my "foolish" ideas.
Nothing is 100% confirmed. To just make up what ever you like until them is very intellectually dishonest of yourself and often leads to wrong conclusion.
I never said it is real. It is baseless. I choose to believe what I want.
You can? I can't. If it is baseless, and you know it, if you know your making it up, you don't believe it. You can tell yourself you believe it, but would you ever really? If you are capable of this you have a greater capacity for tricking yourself then anyone I have met.
I do believe in science. It makes all the sense in the world. I can believe in both, can I not? As long as they don't contradict, and they don't, then why can't I believe in both?
Because on a basic level they contradict, simple as that.
If scientists say one day that there is a god, I will believe that. If they say there is none, then I will believe that. Until that it is 100% confirmed, no doubt, I will believe that there are greater beings and all my "foolish" ideas.
Nothing is 100% certain.
And stop assuming that I don't care about the truth. I do. I don't do it to you, so stop doing it to me.
You have already admitted to believing a lie you made yourself. That is not caring about the truth.
You claim to believe in things which have absolutely no supporting evidence and which, by their very nature, are contrary to logic and reason, yet you claim to be concerned with truth. Well, truth is defined as "that which conforms with reality", and things with no evidence and which are contrary to all evidence we have, and all deductive reasoning on the subject, are almost always going to end up not being true.
I believe in what science can prove, and what it cannot, I supplement with my religion.
That is a contradictory statement. Your believing a baseless claim to be true, thus real.
I do not believe it to be necessarily true, but an answer until a logical one is found.
Nothing is 100% confirmed. To just make up what ever you like until then is very intellectually dishonest of yourself and often leads to wrong conclusion.
No. I have not concluded anything at all. That is why I am willing to change my ideology about life.
You can? I can't. If it is baseless, and you know it, if you know your making it up, you don't believe it. You can tell yourself you believe it, but would you ever really? If you are capable of this you have a greater capacity for tricking yourself then anyone I have met.
I choose to believe in principles and morals that are baseless, but that doesn't mean I am making them up.
Because on a basic level they contradict, simple as that.
Nothing is 100% certain.
Hmm. Maybe I should rephrase that. Until it is proven beyond any doubt, that there is or is not a greater power, than I will change my ideology. That's the great thing about my belief, I get to question my world, and change ideas.
You have already admitted to believing a lie you made yourself. That is not caring about the truth.
I never stated "I believe in a lie," but said that I believe in whatever I believe to be true. If I believe that gravity exists and greater beings exist, too, is not a lie, then I shall continue to believe them. Gravity is a globally accepted concept, while the concept of greater beings is questionable. I believe in both. Whether one is true or not, then fine.
Science changes. Beliefs can change, too. Why do you people want me to believe one thing or the other? I want to believe they go hand & hand. What one doesn't have the answers for, the other one supplies, be it correct or incorrect.
Personally I don't care what you do or do not believe. However when you claim to care about truth, then admit that you hold beliefs which may or may not be correct, and don't seem to care either way, you contradict yourself. If you want to believe in sky fairies, flat earth, geocentricism, or the tooth fairy I really couldn't care less. But don't come on the forums saying that you care about the truth then make claims which are contradictory to logic and reason and which have absolutely no supporting evidence.
I believe in what science can prove, and what it cannot, I supplement with my religion.
Ah. BOW TO THE MAGNIFICENT GOD OF THE GAPS!
I choose to believe in principles and morals that are baseless, but that doesn't mean I am making them up.
Because on a basic level they contradict, simple as that
You aren't sure what "baseless" means, do you? having no base; without foundation; groundless: a baseless claim. AKA Made up.
Hmm. Maybe I should rephrase that. Until it is proven beyond any doubt, that there is or is not a greater power, than I will change my ideology. That's the great thing about my belief, I get to question my world, and change ideas.
How are you going to prove somethings not true? You can't disprove a negative.
I never stated "I believe in a lie," but said that I believe in whatever I believe to be true. If I believe that gravity exists and greater beings exist, too, is not a lie, then I shall continue to believe them. Gravity is a globally accepted concept, while the concept of greater beings is questionable. I believe in both. Whether one is true or not, then fine.
You believe in whatever you tell yourself you believe- thus you believe in a lie.
Science changes. Beliefs can change, too. Why do you people want me to believe one thing or the other? I want to believe they go hand & hand. What one doesn't have the answers for, the other one supplies, be it correct or incorrect.
I believe in what science can prove, and what it cannot, I supplement with my religion.
Which is exactly what I mean about being intellectually dishonest. You don't fill the gaps with what ever you make up.
I do not believe it to be necessarily true, but an answer until a logical one is found.
Than it's not an answer at all, it's just wishful thinking.
No. I have not concluded anything at all. That is why I am willing to change my ideology about life.
If you didn't come to a conclusion you wouldn't be holding a baseless belief in the first place.
I choose to believe in principles and morals that are baseless, but that doesn't mean I am making them up.
Then where are they coming from? Someone else's imagination?
Hmm. Maybe I should rephrase that. Until it is proven beyond any doubt, that there is or is not a greater power, than I will change my ideology. That's the great thing about my belief, I get to question my world, and change ideas.
Just because we don't know something doesn't mean you get to say it "happened by magic". I'm not saying this is what your claiming but the principles your using are the same.
I never stated "I believe in a lie," but said that I believe in whatever I believe to be true.
Yes but what you believe is just made up bs, just because you don't know. So you are lying to yourself claiming that you do and that that lie is true.
Science changes. Beliefs can change, too. Why do you people want me to believe one thing or the other? I want to believe they go hand & hand. What one doesn't have the answers for, the other one supplies, be it correct or incorrect.
one is based on evidence and repeatability the other is just baseless made up wishful thinking. They don't mesh. If you cared about the truth you would care whether your made up answer was correct or not rather then just go with it because of it's convenience.
Personally I don't care what you do or do not believe. However when you claim to care about truth, then admit that you hold beliefs which may or may not be correct, and don't seem to care either way, you contradict yourself. If you want to believe in sky fairies, flat earth, geocentricism, or the tooth fairy I really couldn't care less. But don't come on the forums saying that you care about the truth then make claims which are contradictory to logic and reason and which have absolutely no supporting evidence.
For the last time, since you do not seem to understand. I do care about the truth. That is why I am willing to change my correct or incorrect beliefs.
Ah. BOW TO THE MAGNIFICENT GOD OF THE GAPS!
Not sure what that means.
You aren't sure what "baseless" means, do you? having no base; without foundation; groundless: a baseless claim. AKA Made up.
I do know. What base do we have to believe that sharing, forgiving, and helping others are "good" things to do? What reason do we have to do them?
How are you going to prove somethings not true? You can't disprove a negative.
Exactly. You can only prove something is true. Gravity is true. I believe in that. But since I cannot disprove that there are no greater beings, I can either not believe in them, or choose to. I choose to.
You believe in whatever you tell yourself you believe- thus you believe in a lie.
How do you know what I tell myself to believe is a lie? Who are you to say that?
For the last time, since you do not seem to understand. I do care about the truth. That is why I am willing to change my correct or incorrect beliefs.
You don't seem to understand, you can't substitute your god of the gaps for everything you don't understand. The true answer would be "I don't know". For example, how many figures am I holding up? The true answer would be "I don't know", guessing has an even higher chance of being wrong when there are infinite possibilities.
Not sure what that means.
Look it up, there is a Wikipedia article on it.
I do know. What base do we have to believe that sharing, forgiving, and helping others are "good" things to do? What reason do we have to do them?
Humans, being social animals, have a large part of the brain devoted to learning social rules such as sharing, forgiving, and helping others. Some of those things do not cross cultures, such as forgiveness may be good for you, but to a medieval duelist, it is weakness.
How do you know what I tell myself to believe is a lie? Who are you to say that?
My observations tell me that I am not living in a dream, especially not someone else dream. I am 314d1, a human who you insist does not exist.
For the last time, since you do not seem to understand. I do care about the truth. That is why I am willing to change my correct or incorrect beliefs.
As pointed out if you really did care you wouldn't be accepting these baseless claims as true to begin with.
Not sure what that means.
A God of the gaps argument is a fallacy saying "we don't know so God did it" Which is basically what your doing, so your "bowing down" to the God of the gaps.
I do know. What base do we have to believe that sharing, forgiving, and helping others are "good" things to do? What reason do we have to do them?
They prove beneficial to our species as a whole.
Exactly. You can only prove something is true. Gravity is true. I believe in that. But since I cannot disprove that there are no greater beings, I can either not believe in them, or choose to. I choose to.
Thus going back to not caring if it's true or not.
How do you know what I tell myself to believe is a lie? Who are you to say that?
He's God. You have no proof of that either way? What does it matter, it's a convenient answer so go with.
