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Do we continue life in HEAVEN for EVER and what would we do if that happened?

OR do we continue live in HELL for EVER suffering because we all sinned?

This is probably the hardest question in the world to answer but I want to know what you think will happen to us?

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When we die we don't go in heaven or hell. We stay deep in the ground but our soul. It goes into a place called The Purgatory.

Why do you think so?

No, the pope decided that there doesn't exist a limob.

I know, I was simply freely interpreting on wafflesquad's idea. Of course I'd also like to hear his own answer to your question.
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This is not based on "doing good things"; rather, it's based on whether you accepted forgiveness for your sins, knowing that when Jesus was crucified, He took your sins and forgave them.

Yea that's how it's done.

Killing + raping + Jesus = heaven

Loving + Caring + Helping = hell
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No, the pope decided that there doesn't exist a limob.


And what some guy in hat says goes I guess

n my opinion, we either go to Heaven or Hell. This is not based on "doing good things"; rather, it's based on whether you accepted forgiveness for your sins, knowing that when Jesus was crucified, He took your sins and forgave them. If you have done the former and honestly try to be a Christian every day you have left, you're going to Heaven. If you were presented with obvious evidence that there WAS a God, but rejected it and chose to call yourself god, then you might be going to the... other place. "Might" being because no one knows exactly what God's going to do except Him, and he might give you another shot.
And for those who have never heard, i.e. babies and people who just haven't been told ANYTHING about Christianity, they're most likely given a chance, and then go from there.
I never understood why anyone cares about their corpse. Why does it matter when what makes you the person you were is ultimately not there?


I'm assuming that you're joking because no sane person could say there was obvious eviddence for the existence for a Christian God. A cosmic Jewish zombie who you must telepathically tell you love so he can remove an evil force from your soul which is there because a crazy rib woman ate a magic apple because a talking snake told her to doesn't exactly have much in the form of evidence. And any truly just being would judge people by if the were a good or a bad person rather than if they believed an out of date 2000 year old book.
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One question: If a baby dies one day after it has been born does it go to hell or heaven?
If that baby would happen to be baptized prior to death, then Heaven for sure, if not, this is uncertain.
Do you sereously think that I can believe that a 23-years-old guy who was crucified 2000 Years ago died for my sins just because it's written in a old book which isn't even written by somebody who knew Jesus personally?
You should know that Mark was one of the 70 scholars that were with Jesus while he was walking the land. John was one of the Apostles.
If religion is true, god loves all his children. Why should he punish them forever?
He doesn't punish directly, especially if speaking about Hell. A person who rejects God's love and died in this state meets God, and says that he doesn't want God to be around. God says "so it be" and leaves that soul be, alone, and then the devil comes and takes the unprotected soul straight to Hell. C'est la vie. If you're speaking about what happens in the world, this is more of a warning than punishment, Hell is a lot more cruel that whatever is going here.
Why don't he show us how we have to treat each other?
Jesus did that.
Did god ever interfere in our problems?
Yes, though He doesn't give us palliatives to delay the problem's consequences, but offers a panacea in the form of accepting His will about us, and if we do, He'll make all we need to happen, since He knows better what we really need.
How many people did never, never, never sin in their lives?
Bible states four - Enoch (Genesis), Ilia the prophet (4 Kingdoms), Jesus and Virgin Mary. The former two carried the burden of Adam's sin but had no personal sins. Jesus and the Virgin had no burden of Adam's sin and had never sinned.
When we die we don't go in heaven or hell. We stay deep in the ground but our soul. It goes into a place called The Purgatory.
Unfortunately, this is not always the case, many souls are actually going to Hell, a small few of those who lived lives of devotion to Christ go straight to Heaven, and those who repented for their sins but haven't repaid the guilt for them here go to Purgatory.
Killing + raping + Jesus = heaven
No, because if you continue your bad habits after turning towards Jesus, He can say "I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers" Mt 7:23. Living with Jesus means that you must not sin, but if you sin, you can plead to Him and create contrition in your heart, and this then will be accepted as reparation for your sins.
Loving + Caring + Helping = hell
A person who loves, cares and helps others will likely turn towards Jesus if he'd know what Jesus did to him. If not, then the outcome is uncertain - such people can be saved from Hell if you pray for them. You can also pray for a known killer to turn towards Jesus as well, and sometimes such people did repent and accept salvation (though they have to suffer a lot in Purgatory). Sometimes lovers+carers+helpers are in fact hypocrites, but this is so thoroughly hidden in their souls that only God can say their true intentions. And sometimes they can't accept God because they would have to drop several of their habits that gave them pleasure, but are contradictory with God's will.
No, the pope decided that there doesn't exist a limob.
Limbo is a word for first circle of Hell (Dante) where people only suffer from absense of God but not from their own bad deeds. Sometimes those that did good end up there, if they turn their backs to God. It's also possible that those babies' souls that weren't baptized (or killed via abortion) end up there, and dooming a soul to an eternity of suffering is an obvious sin. We're uncertain of what actually happens to these souls, but even if there's a chance that they will end up in Limbo makes the deed a mortal sin. I don't expect any one of you would want an eternity of suffering for themselves.
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Limbo is a word for first circle of Hell (Dante) where people only suffer from absense of God but not from their own bad deeds. Sometimes those that did good end up there, if they turn their backs to God. It's also possible that those babies' souls that weren't baptized (or killed via abortion) end up there, and dooming a soul to an eternity of suffering is an obvious sin. We're uncertain of what actually happens to these souls, but even if there's a chance that they will end up in Limbo makes the deed a mortal sin. I don't expect any one of you would want an eternity of suffering for themselves.


So in the end, god is an *******, plain and simple. He gives people original sin, from a tree he created, and put there for no reason, so that unborn children could spend eternity in hell, and those who led good lives go to hell, but reformed rapists and murders who just say i'm sorry and confess their sins go to heaven. Even if he WAS real, i'd rather go to hell than spend eternity bowing to him.
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[quote]One question: If a baby dies one day after it has been born does it go to hell or heaven?


If that baby would happen to be baptized prior to death, then Heaven for sure, if not, this is uncertain.[/quote]

But why? A one-day-old cannot turn to Jesus, because it cannot think about this. It can't even talk. Nobody told the child about the Bible, etc. There is no difference between a baptized child and a nonbaptized child. You only think that because you belive in everything you are told.

[quote]Do you sereously think that I can believe that a 23-years-old guy who was crucified 2000 Years ago died for my sins just because it's written in a old book which isn't even written by somebody who knew Jesus personally?


You should know that Mark was one of the 70 scholars that were with Jesus while he was walking the land. John was one of the Apostles.[/quote]

I guess this two facts are true. Another fact: Moses was stoned when he got the ten commandments.
The people 2000 years ago didn't knew much about science so they explainey everything with god. Why should I belive what they wrote 2000 years ago?

[quote]Why don't he show us how we have to treat each other?


Jesus did that.[/quote]

What did he told us? We have to listen to everything God tells us? If I say God wants that we reap our wifes, should we do that? And before you break the door of your bedroom, no you shouldn't.

[quote]If religion is true, god loves all his children. Why should he punish them forever?


He doesn't punish directly, especially if speaking about Hell. A person who rejects God's love and died in this state meets God, and says that he doesn't want God to be around. God says "so it be" and leaves that soul be, alone, and then the devil comes and takes the unprotected soul straight to Hell. C'est la vie. If you're speaking about what happens in the world, this is more of a warning than punishment, Hell is a lot more cruel that whatever is going here. [/quote]

That means if a reaper dies and he tolds god he want that he's around him, will he go to hell?

[quote]How many people did never, never, never sin in their lives?


Bible states four - Enoch (Genesis), Ilia the prophet (4 Kingdoms), Jesus and Virgin Mary. The former two carried the burden of Adam's sin but had no personal sins. Jesus and the Virgin had no burden of Adam's sin and had never sinned.[/quote]

Yaaaay! The whole mankind has 4 people in heaven. I hope they have fun up there.

[quote]No, the pope decided that there doesn't exist a limob.


Limbo is a word for first circle of Hell (Dante) where people only suffer from absense of God but not from their own bad deeds. Sometimes those that did good end up there, if they turn their backs to God. It's also possible that those babies' souls that weren't baptized (or killed via abortion) end up there, and dooming a soul to an eternity of suffering is an obvious sin. We're uncertain of what actually happens to these souls, but even if there's a chance that they will end up in Limbo makes the deed a mortal sin. I don't expect any one of you would want an eternity of suffering for themselves.[/quote]

Stop at that point. Timeout! You use definitions out of the Divine Comedy by Dante. I think you belive everything you read, don't you?

[quote]Killing + raping + Jesus = heaven


No, because if you continue your bad habits after turning towards Jesus, He can say "I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers" Mt 7:23. Living with Jesus means that you must not sin, but if you sin, you can plead to Him and create contrition in your heart, and this then will be accepted as reparation for your sins.

Loving + Caring + Helping = hell


A person who loves, cares and helps others will likely turn towards Jesus if he'd know what Jesus did to him. If not, then the outcome is uncertain - such people can be saved from Hell if you pray for them. You can also pray for a known killer to turn towards Jesus as well, and sometimes such people did repent and accept salvation (though they have to suffer a lot in Purgatory). Sometimes lovers+carers+helpers are in fact hypocrites, but this is so thoroughly hidden in their souls that only God can say their true intentions. And sometimes they can't accept God because they would have to drop several of their habits that gave them pleasure, but are contradictory with God's will. [/quote]

And what if I care, what if I'm respectful but I don't turn to Jesus (and trust me I won't)?
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so basically no matter what kind of a person you are, even if you are someone like Hitler, if you worship Jesus, who is basically a cosmic dictator, then you go to heaven and if you are an amazing person and start loads of charities and devote your life to helping other people but because you haven't seen this supposedly over whelming evidence for the existence of god, which we are assured are the by people who believe in God yet is not seen by anybody who doesn't, you go to hell. I can see how can be called omni benevolent

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If I say God wants that we reap our wifes, should we do that?
If you say that, this will be only you saying. The Church on the contrary has sources leading to Jesus, and through Jesus to Father, that's why it still stands. All of this is based on Church tradition and the Bible.
Stop at that point. Timeout! You use definitions out of the Divine Comedy by Dante.
Well, yes, though not only them, there's teaching of the Orthodox church in there as well, they teach that it's most probable that these souls go to Hell being not baptized. And Dante's comedy is one nicely spoken source about Hell's structure, which might or might not be true, but may be used to some degree as an example of where do the sinners go.
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If you say that, this will be only you saying. The Church on the contrary has sources leading to Jesus, and through Jesus to Father, that's why it still stands. All of this is based on Church tradition and the Bible.


I'm really sorry. What if the Pope says that we have to **** our wifes? Imagine I become the head of the church. Imagine Me sitting in the Vatican, I'm bored, and I say we have to reap our wifes to show that we love god. Imagine that every church says the same. Would you do it?

Or: What if I get a message of God and he tells me that everybody has to reap his wife? Huh?

Well, yes, though not only them, there's teaching of the Orthodox church in there as well, they teach that it's most probable that these souls go to Hell being not baptized. And Dante's comedy is one nicely spoken source about Hell's structure, which might or might not be true, but may be used to some degree as an example of where do the sinners go.


If you were a real Christian you would know that the Pope's got the power to change everybody's imagination about hell. Benedict XVI told us that we shouldn't believ in the limbo. Which else hidden powers does the Pope have.
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The pope is just some stupid guy in a hat. He doesn't have a direct connection to God or Jesus.

As an unrelated question why does a supposedly monotheistic religion have 3 Gods, Jesus, God and The Holy Ghost.

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As an unrelated question why does a supposedly monotheistic religion have 3 Gods, Jesus, God and The Holy Ghost.


That aren't 3 Gods, it's one God who's a human, a god and at the same time his holy ghost (Don't be irritated, nobody can understand it, thats the arguement of religious people).
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