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wolf1991
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What have we become? Not we as in this community of individuals trying to escape our daily existences on a realm of possiblities, but we as in humans. We as in our race.

Many of you know me as the cynical one, the person aloof and abrasively offensive at times to anyone who crosses an unseen line of my tolerance for ignorance. You do not see the motives behind this. The motives are clear though. I see no purpose in life and to be ignorant is to deny the hope of purpose.

So, I ask you, my fellow man. What have we become? We have cast aside our profound beliefs that there is a greater power than us. Of course many follow a belief system, but what is that? Religion is a hollow shell to its former self. It has been replaced by amorality and ignorance. "Who cares what tomorrow brings?" the multitudes cry. Who cares indeed so long as we are ignorant. Many will argue that science gives us light and guidance. Yes, science gives us facts, but who dictates how we use those facts? Science gives no morality. And what do we gain from knowing everything? Nothing. We, as a race, are headed down the path of an amoral and stagnated existence. This dear friends is our sickness. Our disease.

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314d1
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What have we become? Not we as in this community of individuals trying to escape our daily existences on a realm of possiblities, but we as in humans. We as in our race.


*Looks around* It seems we have become human.

So, I ask you, my fellow man. What have we become?


*Looks around again* I change my answer. We have become gods. I am currently doing things people a hundred or thousands of years ago would consider impossible and magical. Just look, I am speaking to you threw what is essentially a piece of glass. I look behind me and see a simple rifle, witch could easily genocide the mentioned human and any other animal on earth. Food is rather plentiful to me. To the humans of the past, we are gods. As such, we are able to chose our own purpose. (Side note, purely metaphorical. But feel free to make your own purpose anyway).

We have cast aside our profound beliefs that there is a greater power than us


What is the matter of casting aside ignorance? We left the untrue behind. We have started looking for the facts. The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Religion is a hollow shell to its former self. It has been replaced by amorality and ignorance.


Hah! Under religion you have witch burning. Under religion you have sacrifice, human or otherwise. Under religion you have hate. Under religion you have death, death, and more death.

"Who cares what tomorrow brings?" the multitudes cry


When has anyone ever cared for the multitude? They exist. They live. They help you live. They farm your food, build your defense, work for you and in turn you do so for them. True, many are ignorant. That can't be helped, as many are willfully so. But why must you follow them? Care for your future all you want.

Many will argue that science gives us light and guidance. Yes, science gives us facts, but who dictates how we use those facts?


Light as a guidance. Who decides? Those with the facts. Lucky for the world, those who have values considered by the western world to be decent have the values of science. Its the Americas, Russia, and Europe with the facts, all who have decent values. Find the facts if you want to use them.

Science gives no morality. And what do we gain from knowing everything?


Everything. Science gives the ultimate morality, the morality of no necessity. You don't need to steal. You don't need to kill. You don't need to rape. All do to the fruits of science. We gain everything from knowing everything. We could feed the hungry, have land for all, and be generally paradise with science. What has religion given the world? Billions of filled graves.

We, as a race, are headed down the path of an amoral and stagnated existence. This dear friends is our sickness. Our disease.


You have been wrong this entire time. Actually, our morality has improved greatly. Do you think a caveman would have opened up a soup kitchen? A knight would have ever built homes from the poor? Even a few hundred years ago, other sects of our own race were considered extremely inferior. Our morals, by western standard, are becoming better. I don't know what in hell you are referring to.
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morals are not becoming better, humans are now greedy over trivial, stupid things.

Do you think a caveman would have opened up a soup kitchen?

"Cave men" did not need soup kitchens they shared every scrap for survival.

@ wolf: for the moment people like us simply have to continue living, speaking about such despair shall bring nothing. but the knowledge that, if you could change one persons life for the better by spreading common sense,logic and wisdom could change your perception of this flawed, imperfect world for a long time. I believe that all people have potential, and that it's the job of clever people to influence and shape it. I was once depressed at the sickness of man, but then i realizedresevere in life. endure, who knows? it might be fun.
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And what do we gain from knowing everything? Nothing.


Increase life competency, eradication of numerous diseases, better understanding of the world around us, improved food supply, improved shelter, the technology that allows us to have this debate, etc. etc. etc. just to name a few.

We, as a race, are headed down the path of an amoral and stagnated existence. This dear friends is our sickness. Our disease.


I have to agree with 314d1, our morality has improved. For example, we treat others with more equality then we have ever in the past.
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"Cave men" did not need soup kitchens they shared every scrap for survival.


Wait, did you really just say that? Early man didn't "share every scrap for survival". If anything, they probably killed one another for food, for they are savages. Unless it was their family, I'm extremely confident in saying that they didn't "share every scrap for survival". They didn't care about others, they were savages.

314d1 is definitely right. Human morality is at its best so far, and will continue to get better.

Also, just to share something related. I find this fascinating: human morality is a mix of both biological and cultrual. So, as we evolve biologically and our culture (including science and logic) progress, we ultimately become better morally.
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Wait, did you really just say that? Early man didn't "share every scrap for survival". If anything, they probably killed one another for food, for they are savages. Unless it was their family, I'm extremely confident in saying that they didn't "share every scrap for survival". They didn't care about others, they were savages.


They probably weren't as bad as your making them out here. However survival would have meant making sure your tribe was fed and taken care of. In that time one's tribe would have been mostly made up of family members.
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If certain marxists are to be believed then early humanity lived in 'romiscuous hordes' and the real idea of a 'family' only developed with time so that private property could be past to someone you were sure was your heir. If that's correct then I should imagine the hordes shared A lot of things...

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Collectively humans have been sucky and pretty cruel since forever. Following a religion completely is impossible if anything in the religious text contradicts anything else inside. Religion in my experiences doesn't change somebody's ethics much except in trivial things. I don't hate religion but honestly people aren't that different without it.

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"Who cares what tomorrow brings?" the multitudes cry.


Actually I see this most often with the religious folk who believe that their savior is coming to wipe everything out and replace our world with something better. What motivation does one have to conserve and protect what we have when they believe that it will be replaced soon anyway?

We, as a race, are headed down the path of an amoral and stagnated existence.


Actually I disagree. Looking back throughout history we see that humans have been progressively more 'moral' over the past several thousand years. Morality stems from our need to survive, and as a social animal we evolve more morals, and more effective methods of enforcing those morals as our society becomes increasingly social and we are more and more interdependent on one another.

We are a cruel species, and outstanding survivors, which is part of the problem. We have no natural predators at this stage of our existence other than ourselves. Our population is booming, we require massive amounts of food and other resources, and we are occupying most of the territory available. While I don't see us becoming less 'moral' I definitely see us reaching a point where our environment is going to be unable to support us. We must either decrease our population increase or begin seeking new environments.
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(A little off topic at first)
An apocalypse would bring alot of bad things, but also a few good things.
It would bring a simpler life with simpler pleasures and less obsession with appearance. You could finally see the stars without a telescope (the lights at night would be off), Things would be quiet and the air would be pure. People would appreciate getting together with family alot more, anyone for that matter. I think that people today have forgotten who they really are. Today, children expect a million presents for their birthday, while years ago, one present made by hand or with love meant alot more. I agree, thing

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(forgot to continue my above reply)
...things have gotten colder [that's a metaphor, but if you want to be literal it actually has gotten hotter]

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An apocalypse would bring alot of bad things, but also a few good things.
It would bring a simpler life with simpler pleasures and less obsession with appearance. You could finally see the stars without a telescope (the lights at night would be off), Things would be quiet and the air would be pure.


.. and please one apocalype that wouldn't either pollute the air or leave no one alive to see it?

Asteroid: massive killing, destruction, 'nuclear winter' without the radioactive part.
Super-Pandemic: ok fine some people may survive this, but chances are as people move back and forth everywhere, it will spread farrr too fast and wipe out everything. people will flock for the mountains in search of slavation and only end up infecting the mountain-men and other isolated peoples.
Nuclear War: no sky is visible. at all. depending on how many nuclear warheads, their power in megatons, and where detonated.
Alien: no humans left, not a chance against superior beings.

^ very off topic soz.
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It would bring a simpler life with simpler pleasures and less obsession with appearance


More obsession actually. Natural selection chooses the ones who look more fit, and survive better.... At least with more advanced humans natural selection is diluted and the ones (ugly, week, ect) still have a chance of mating without resorting to rape. Simpler pleasures? The life forms that come up would have no pleasure until they are semi-advanced, at witch they would have pleasures equal to humans. Just compare to things, a dog and a boy. They both essentially have the same pleasures, and can amuse themselves with each other. By the time you go down to less advanced things they no longer have &quotleasure", most of them are plants and micro organisms.

You could finally see the stars without a telescope (the lights at night would be off)


Oh, poor Joe, he will have to genocide an entire advanced race so he can see his pwetty wittle stars. You want to see the stars so bad? Move. I can see the stars fine when the skies are clear in my aria.

Things would be quiet and the air would be pure


Mass death would release many gasses. The form of killing them would also release a ton of gas. It would be worse than all of human histories' gas combined. On top of that, the human race is attempting to be better with the environment, one of the morals that is improving. And for the quite? Once more, you are an ass if you are willing to kill everyone just to make things quite. Also once more, move. There are some nice woods in America, buy a cabin and live there away from other humans.

People would appreciate getting together with family alot more, anyone for that matter.


They would be dead, and would appreciate nothing.

I think that people today have forgotten who they really are.


Nope. We are human.... Your the one who thinks we are a disease and wants to kill us all....

Today, children expect a million presents for their birthday, while years ago, one present made by hand or with love meant alot more


That seems to have been...Never. Sentimental gifts are great, but "years ago" that is all they had. That was the only thing they could get. They still mean plenty to many people, but in all truth they lack the entertainment value of other toys. A keep sake is great, but it will probably go tedious fast.

...things have gotten colder [that's a metaphor, but if you want to be literal it actually has gotten hotter]


Don't know what you mean by that. If you mean crazy people want to genocide the human race for no good reason, the only one seems to be you...
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wolf could you please respond to these comments?

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i think he knows he's beat we've not gotten sick we've gotten better as man with science on our side!

wolf1991
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Or I never intended to defend my position in the first place. I simply wanted to see opinions and thoughts of others.

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