We had a discussion in the WEPR a couple months back about transferring bodies and what effect that would have on the psyche, mind, and functionality of the human body. All knowledge and evidence points to the fact that the brain is responsible for all manners of consciousness and activity. Given this, it would be possible that, given the necessary surgeries needed to transplant a brain into a fresh body, the consciousness of the transplant-or would use the vessel and live on. Once man1 reaches an old age, he can use a brain transplant to use a new vessel to become man2, but with his own consciousness. If he was 80 before and is using a 20 year old man, he would add 60 more years to his conscious life.
Complications of various manners can occur:
Immorality, for example, dictates that it would be wrong of a man to take someone else's body for his own, just to live longer. Even though the transplant-ee signed the waiver to allow man1 to take his body, the majority may think of this as wrong.
Socially, how would you interact with others, and vice-versa? You just took the body of a 20 year old man that had his own friends and family, while your own family is pretty much gone. Would you be with man2's peers or with man1's peers that are in generations 3 and 4?
Lawfully, how would you be tagged and ID'd? Jonathan Morrison (man1) or Samuel Watson (man2)? Would businesses and workplaces accept one that took the body of another man? Would you be shunned among your co-workers, or instead be revered, as you would have half a century of field experience?
Naturally, how would the flow of nature go, if many other people decided to transplant their brains, assuming morality accepts it? Our population expenditure would dramatically increase, wouldn't it?
Morality#2, what would others think if you were to mate with what used to be your family, but physically not? Biologically, the two are supposed to be strangers, thus fit to mate and would produce healthy children with none of the complications that mating with blood members would ensue.
Personally, would Man1 stomach the fact that he's using another man (or woman?) as a vessel? Would he be able to function normally, or would he break down? I suppose that would have to depend on Man1's original psyche.
I personally find this an interesting thread, and I would love to hear from the rest of you. Think: living for more than 120 years. No one has ever done that before in recorded history. Would it not be insurmountably awesome?
I would also like to resurrect Moegreche from the nether so I could hear his insight on this. :3
Does it matter how many times a certain religion has tried to disprove science?
They can try and disprove it all they like. However they have been known to repress it.
A lot of the very famous scientists in the scientific revolution believed that God did make the world,
And how many of them were labeled heretics for their discoveries? I have to wonder how many would be theists if they had access to the information we have today.
But nowadays everyone here ~cough cough Mage cough cough~ reacts like someone who says the word God or Christianity is like Someone caught the spreading epidemic of stupidity.
Not necessarily stupidity but at least ignorance. Sure there could be a god, however how is it not ignorant/stupid to ignore evidence in favor of a completely unfounded belief of a magical being?
this..... theory, is quite beatiful indeed but dismissing the scientific set backs..... why would u be so creul as to extend a human life..... the pro: u would continue to see wat further advancements would be made, truly a dream come true if possible... the con; u would continue a human life of hardships, let downs, frustrations, pain, heartache, work, and just plain living..... that in itself is creul to the patient, to the doners, to the families, to the ANIMALS, and to the mother Earth..... beatiful theory and i hate to be the one to get all serios and ruin the fun but such a thing is best left ALONE.... if u r religous(i am NOT) this should be an even bigger slap in the face.
p.s. under normal or rather... un-normal circumstances their r recorded situations in which a human being has lived in an excess of 120 years.... i believe the record is from 130-150 i do not remember as of now though.
it would seem there r quite the number of rational scientific and logical minds in this thread but..... even though it is in my OPINION as well that, religion in general is "ignorance" i.e. wat the "believer" does not know,and that is why people in the old days or rather ancient days(and now) clung(if a word)or cling to religion as a means of not accepting Death... rather people are scared of "nothing" we as humans can not fathom wat "nothing" feels like, so we(the religious folk) hope that there is "SOMETHING" after the end or "NOTHING" ....... either way u slice it IT IS NOT OUR PLACE to discuss that... and i will probably get into some degree of trouble for saying as much as i have already but.... after all it is JUST my opinion.
1. human life isn't just solely a painful experience...
2. fear is the answer for why... or one of the possible answers. some people fear.. not death... but the uncertainty of what comes after. they know for a fact that existence occurs while alive... they don't however if existence occurs post death. fear of no longer existing would seem reason enough to endure almost any suffering... if ur fear is really that great
.... personally i find it an INSULT when a man(or women) of SCIENCE(logic,math,reason,study, wat we KNOW or try to find out) claim to be religious, as a man whom loves science to his very core believing wat u can not really varify or even justify in the least is an insult to me..... but i shrug insults off so there is a sense of "hmmph' in my head but i will NEVER hold a grudge over something like this. p.s. i am nearly the epitomy of a hypocrite morally.... wat do i mean well i tend to have morals that contradict one another but fit well within my person(i suppose that is why i have 3 personalities).... science no, socially most likely not but morals yes.
"some people fear.. not death... but the uncertainty of what comes after. they know for a fact that existence occurs while alive... they don't however if existence occurs post death. fear of no longer existing would seem reason enough to endure almost any suffering... if ur fear is really that great"
go back and read carefully... ill wait....... now that u have sonata(i like the moonlight.... beethoven referrence ) is wat u just said NOT WHAT I HAVE SAID IN INTIRETY. no offense
why would u be so creul as to extend a human life....
true... u stated answers. but i stated my own. your answers were good but i felt the need to give a more concise version
again.... "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
as i've said before in other threads... science doesn't disprove god. it can be viewed as either the truth behind the non-existance of god... or the conduit by which he works.. if such a being does exist and did in fact create the world then that being would have set up rules/laws by which the creation would be governed... the study of these laws could be classified as the sciences we all hold so near and dear. in this way a "God-fearing" person can in fact believe in science.
in no way have i said that science disproves the belief in God i am simply implying that u(the believer) CAN NOT PROVE he or it does exist... science simply implys that an entity which is completely and LITERALLY OMNIPOTENT is very very very very very very very very UNBELIEVABLE. "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" ahhahahahahaah boon docks....hmmm.... technically that statement is a contradiction but only if i choose to skew wat u have said i.e. if evidence is absent then an absense of evidence (is evident or) is already proven just in that statement but of course it all depends on ur comprehension and how u CHOOSE to see things.
why would u be so creul as to extend a human life.
We already do extend human life. Before modern medicines the average lifespan was only about 30 years. Personally, I would like to continue existing in the state of a conscious being for as long as possible. I'm more then willing to take the cruel pain of this state of existence (and I've had more then my fair share) for the good parts.
p.s. under normal or rather... un-normal circumstances their r recorded situations in which a human being has lived in an excess of 120 years.... i believe the record is from 130-150 i do not remember as of now though.
I think a better way to put it is you can't prove a negative.
it can be viewed as either the truth behind the non-existance of god... or the conduit by which he works.. if such a being does exist and did in fact create the world then that being would have set up rules/laws by which the creation would be governed... the study of these laws could be classified as the sciences we all hold so near and dear. in this way a "God-fearing" person can in fact believe in science.
This however is an unscientific position to take, as it requires the prior assertion of a deity.
mage u r indeed an incredible mind... its.... odd to have never met someone or even talked to them yet see them as an equal (mentally) ur opinions and ideology r very similar to my own, i can tell.... u have my respect sir. p.s. i write as though im texting bcuz i usually am.
Actually is impossible to ever get total immortality, because of one thing: time.Time effect all, causing it to get weaker.So even if we downloaded your mind in harddrive and just change body, even then time would destroy harddrive.Time destroys everyhing, but whitout time life isnt possible. And even we got a enough tech to get immortality, I believe that we have ´´morality´´ issues so we wouldnt use it...
I thing this would be very, very, VERY wrong even if it was posible. Everyones dieing, some faster then others, (and some not fast enough). There would be no way to do this, the brain only lives ten seconds longer then the body, and if we somehow managed to put the brain in another body, you have to remember the brain dies too! If you were on the verge of death and you swapped bodys you would still die because you can't avoide old age it hits the brain too.
Just live life to the fullest because death will catch up eventualy.
