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djfinalmix
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The question is simple... What would happen when an unstoppable force collided with an unmovable object?
Will both be destroyed?
Will nothing happen?
Will the world explode?

State your opinion and discuss.

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Xzeno
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I'm feeling Aknerd's suggestion. Object remains unmovable, force remains unstoppable, everything checks out.

Alternate suggestions: The force bounces off, but I'm pretty sure it would have to stop for that to happen.

Only other things I can think of involve faffing about with the definition of "immovable" and "stop". Is being transformed and then moving moving? What about dematerialize? If the object is somehow destroyed, has it been moved?

Kyouzou
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Technically if so much as a molecule of the object moves out of set boundaries then it has moved.

However it doesn't have to bounce back, what if it were to travel along the object until it came to an end then continue forward. (Assuming the object doesn't continue infinitely of course.)

Also has anyone considered the object while being immovable has cracks/holes in it that the force can pass through?

Maybe my logic is flawed here but couldn't the universe, at this point in time, be considered an unstoppable force?

AnaLoGMunKy
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Nice thread!

But I agree with the wiki reply post. I know we can think about there being such forces but I fully agree that you cannot have both. One of these forces is stronger than the other. Its like an arms race between the best "lazer" in the wurld and the best shield in the world. They could spend eternity trying to create the device that betters the opposing device.

Legion1350
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Hmm.... Wouldn't the unstoppable force simply bounce back off of the unmovable object?

AnaLoGMunKy
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Wouldn't the unstoppable force simply bounce back off of the unmovable object?


Then it wouldnt be an unstoppable force. Or I suppose it would still be unstopable, just not in one direction. Nice point.
CommanderDude7
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I'm going with the wiki on this one. It just seems to make the most sense. Also points to wolf for the batman reference.

Legion1350
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[quote=AnaLoGMunKy]Or I suppose it would still be unstopable, just not in one direction.[/quote]
Right, so if the unstoppable force was approaching the unmovable object at an angle, it would behave like a tennis ball bouncing off a wall, correct?

sonicheroes95
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oh thats easy. the unstoppable force would reflect off the unmovable object.

AnaLoGMunKy
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it would behave like a tennis ball bouncing off a wall, correct?


I see no problems with that... "the unstoppable tennis ball meets the unmovable tennis racket."
UnlimitedDragon
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or the force would break through the object and it wouldnt move

AnaLoGMunKy
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or the force would break through the object and it wouldnt move


Bits of the object would have to move to be broken thru.
valkery
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This entire question is pointless because you don't specify how fast the unstoppable force is going. Another point I would like to make is, if it is a force then wouldn't it just transmit through the immovable object, because it has no defined mass. It's just force.

driejen
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This entire question is pointless because you don't specify how fast the unstoppable force is going. Another point I would like to make is, if it is a force then wouldn't it just transmit through the immovable object, because it has no defined mass. It's just force.

To specify the speed of the unstoppable force would imply a mass. The fact that the question is based on the reaction between the two objects, the unstoppable force would have to be acting a mass. Infact, force is any influence that causes acceleration on a mass, so the unstoppable force definitely has a mass.

With this in mind, you can think of the question in this context, an unstoppable sword hits an immovable shield. The shield cannot be destroyed and the sword cannot go through the shield.

But I do agree the question is pointless. I would go further to say that the question itself is illogical as the existence of an unstoppable force implies the non-existence of any immovable objects, and vice versa. This isn't even a case of 'what if' since the question is as impossible as saying, "imagine a shape that is both a square and a circle". Logically both requirements for the shape cannot be met at the same time.
AnaLoGMunKy
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But I do agree the question is pointless.


There are lots of pointless question. Philosophy is full of them. Thats half the fun.
thoadthetoad
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I personally think that the unstoppable force would simply go through the immovable object. The immovable object wasn't moved, and the force was never stopped.

Problem solved. PWNT.

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