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tomertheking

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Posted December 20, '10 6:36pm UTC

Why is the UN so anti-Israily, yet it keeps keeping Israel inside it? it insults it tons of times, and condemns it every multiple times every year? Why is there a special UN commite that helps [i]only[/i] Palestinian refugees, and is mostly made up of Palestinians? Why is there a special day that is only to the Palestinian people, but there is a moment of silence in memory of the Palestinian [i][b]suicide bombers[/b][/i]?\r\n\r\nInternational Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People-\r\n[url=http://www.eyeontheun.org/view.asp?l=35&p=280&ht=1]2006[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.eyeontheun.org/view.asp?l=35&p=280&ht=1]2007[/url]\r\n[url=http://www.eyeontheun.org/view.asp?l=35&p=283&ht=1]propaganda panels[/url]\r\n\r\n[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_3379]Resolution 3379- condemns Zionism to be racist.[/url]\r\n\r\nUNWRA- [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Relief_and_Works_Agency_for_Palestine_Refugees_in_the_Near_East#UNRWA_relations_with_Hamas]A special agency for palestinians [/url] \r\n\r\n[url=http://www.eyeontheun.org/facts.asp?1=1&p=18]The exclusion of Israel from full UN participation[/url]\r\n\r\n"There has never been a single resolution about the decades-long repression of the civil and political rights of 1.3 billion people in China, or the more than a million female migrant workers in Saudi Arabia being kept as virtual slaves, or the virulent racism which has brought 600,000 people to the brink of starvation in Zimbabwe. Every year, UN bodies are required to produce at least 25 reports on alleged human rights violations by Israel, but not one on an Iranian criminal justice system which mandates punishments like crucifixion, stoning, and cross-amputation. This is not legitimate critique of states with equal or worse human rights records. It is demonization of the Jewish state."\r\n\r\n[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/GA_resolutions_2006.JPG[/img]\r\n\r\nI call for:[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qhkcyMXQ5ug/TQUheqPGpqI/AAAAAAAAAro/GvTB3e8Tr2I/s1600/polls_UnitedNationsImage2_3041_232245_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg[/img]

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iMogwai

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Posted December 21, '10 1:16am UTC

Why is the UN so anti-Israily, yet it keeps keeping Israel inside it?

This might be one reason why Israel is now even more hated by the rest of the world.
I guess that the reason why the UN has an interest in this conflict would be because they're partially responsible. They felt sorry for the Jewish people after WW2 and decided that they should have their own country, nothing wrong so far. But oops! The country they were given was already inhabited. Seeing as how some of the actions in, for example, the Gaza strip could be compared to a less severe version of what happened to the Jewish people during WW2, I'm guessing some of that pity has begun to go away, and people are now trying to make things right again.

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tomertheking

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Posted December 21, '10 3:39am UTC

Maybe because of This? Don't eat whatever the media tells you.

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tomertheking

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Posted December 21, '10 3:45am UTC

Have you ever heard of a soldier that is so humanitarian that he does not use his weapon even when ha is stabbed in the back and hit with long metal rods? and a peace activist that does that to soldiers purely for the media response?

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logantheking

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Posted December 21, '10 5:57am UTC

The UN was a nice idea but it doesn't work very well, the majority of UN money, troops and supplies come from the USA, yet the USA(The strongest nation in the world) was voted off of the security council.)

The UN gives equal voice and power to both third-world dictatorships with less then a few million(Liberia comes to mind) and to countries with popularly elected governments.
This means that the radical Muslim nations(Iran) who want to destroy Israel are given the same power as Israel itself.

Lets not forget that the UN has no power in and of itself, it has no army, no navy, no economy and no land. Everything it has was given by member nations. Sure they can pass resolutions of sanctions but those are only valid as long as they are followed by the members.(The same applies to the world court)

@tomer I like the comic you posted, where is it from?

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FireflyIV

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Posted December 21, '10 2:22pm UTC

Why is the UN so anti-Israily, yet it keeps keeping Israel inside it?

Because the UN helped create the Palestinian-Israeli mess we find ourselves in today. The creation of the state of Israel was a UN decision. The repurcussions of the decision they made after WW2 to give the Jews a state at the expense of a Palestinian one means they rightly feel responsible for the Palestinian refugees and dead to whom they honour with these various ceremonies and special comittees. Not to say it has any real lasting affect on the lives of the Palestinians themselves, it's more of a political gesture.

it insults it tons of times, and condemns it every multiple times every year?

The Un only condemns countries when they are seen to be comitting crimes againt humanity, breaking the Geneva convention etc., which Israel has done a fair bit in the past few years. Don't try and make the guys with F16s gunning down rock throwers look like the victims here.

Why is there a special UN commite that helps only Palestinian refugees, and is mostly made up of Palestinians?

Because there are millions and millions of Palestinians who have been displaced from their homes, living under terrible conditions in Israeli and other Arab refugee camps

Why is there a special day that is only to the Palestinian people, but there is a moment of silence in memory of the Palestinian suicide bombers?

Please link to this. This makes no sense since terrorist acts are illegal according to the UN. If you mean victims of the conflict on both sides then mabye there is a silence. I hardly think the silence would be dedicated solely to suicide bombers.

[quote]Why is the UN so anti-Israily, yet it keeps keeping Israel inside it?[/quote]\r\n\r\nBecause the UN helped create the Palestinian-Israeli mess we find ourselves in today. The creation of the state of Israel was a UN decision. The repurcussions of the decision they made after WW2 to give the Jews a state at the expense of a Palestinian one means they rightly feel responsible for the Palestinian refugees and dead to whom they honour with these various ceremonies and special comittees. Not to say it has any real lasting affect on the lives of the Palestinians themselves, it's more of a political gesture.\r\n\r\n[quote]it insults it tons of times, and condemns it every multiple times every year?[/quote]\r\n\r\nThe Un only condemns countries when they are seen to be comitting crimes againt humanity, breaking the Geneva convention etc., which Israel has done a fair bit in the past few years. Don't try and make the guys with F16s gunning down rock throwers look like the victims here.\r\n\r\n[quote]Why is there a special UN commite that helps only Palestinian refugees, and is mostly made up of Palestinians?[/quote]\r\n\r\nBecause there are millions and millions of Palestinians who have been displaced from their homes, living under terrible conditions in Israeli and other Arab refugee camps\r\n\r\n[quote]Why is there a special day that is only to the Palestinian people, but there is a moment of silence in memory of the Palestinian suicide bombers?[/quote]\r\n\r\nPlease link to this. This makes no sense since terrorist acts are illegal according to the UN. If you mean victims of the conflict on both sides then mabye there is a silence. I hardly think the silence would be dedicated solely to suicide bombers.

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5hadowles5

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Posted December 21, '10 5:03pm UTC

WOW i guesses it was bound to happen
think about it Palestine originally belonged to well Palestine then the UN decided to give you guys a country uh-oh **** we forgot that country is already owned oh well lets ignore it (50 years later) a conversation between a man and his conciseness
con:hey umm arent those israeli killing the palaestinians
man: yea i think so....
con :and it is partly your fault
man: i guess so...
con: and?
man: ima try fixing it
con: good good.
get where i am going with here?

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eirwen

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Posted December 21, '10 5:10pm UTC

I don't think we can revoke Israel as a country. However, we can acknowledge the problem that we as smug white people have caused. We think that it's easy to rectify a problem (our hundreds of years of antisemitism (and believe me it's been that long lol) that escalated into a huge tragedy. We're always trying to "fix" things, and usually end up making it worse sadly

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tomertheking

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Posted December 21, '10 6:31pm UTC

Please link to this.

The link "2006" in the OP

I don't think we can revoke Israel as a country.

The Arabs are doing it for 62 years.

think about it Palestine originally belonged to well Palestine

WRONG. First Ottomans, then British, then civil war (1947), then Israel. See Palestine here in the sentence?

The country they were given was already inhabited.

Yeah!!! By the British mandate!

The UN gives equal voice and power to both third-world dictatorships with less then a few million(Liberia comes to mind) and to countries with popularly elected governments

The US system is better (number of votes per population).

give the Jews a state at the expense of a Palestinian one

"Simultaneously with", not "at the expense of".

Because there are millions and millions of Palestinians who have been displaced from their homes, living under terrible conditions in Israeli and other Arab refugee camps

Really long argument:
1. The commite forces them to remain refugees, blocking aid to them. Of course, by world opinion this is humanitarian.
2. Half of them ran away and now live around the world and lead normal lives.
3. Israel is not arab.
4. The Palestinian war crimes prisoners in Israel get degrees in universities and live in clean rooms with a study. Hardly awful conditions.
5."Annual funding for UNRWA is on the order of several hundred million US dollars" You would have thought that with that budget they would have done something.
6."UNRWA is a relief and human development agency, providing education, health care, social services and emergency aid to over 4.7 million Palestine refugees" That is a very small number of people compared to the other UN commite that deals with refugees.

@tomer I like the comic you posted, where is it from?

http://www.cagle.com/

[quote]Please link to this.[/quote]\r\n\r\nThe link "2006" in the OP\r\n\r\n[quote]I don't think we can revoke Israel as a country.[/quote]\r\n\r\nThe Arabs are doing it for 62 years.\r\n\r\n[quote]think about it Palestine originally belonged to well Palestine[/quote]\r\n\r\nWRONG. First Ottomans, then British, then civil war (1947), then Israel. See Palestine here in the sentence?\r\n\r\n[quote]The country they were given was already inhabited.\r\n[/quote]\r\n\r\nYeah!!! By the British mandate!\r\n\r\n[quote]The UN gives equal voice and power to both third-world dictatorships with less then a few million(Liberia comes to mind) and to countries with popularly elected governments[/quote]\r\n\r\nThe US system is better (number of votes per population).\r\n\r\n[quote]give the Jews a state at the expense of a Palestinian one[/quote]\r\n\r\n"Simultaneously with", not "at the expense of".\r\n\r\n[quote]Because there are millions and millions of Palestinians who have been displaced from their homes, living under terrible conditions in Israeli and other Arab refugee camps[/quote]\r\n\r\nReally long argument:\r\n1. The commite forces them to remain refugees, blocking aid to them. Of course, by world opinion this is humanitarian.\r\n2. Half of them ran away and now live around the world and lead normal lives.\r\n3. Israel is not arab.\r\n4. The Palestinian war crimes prisoners in Israel get degrees in universities and live in clean rooms with a study. Hardly awful conditions. \r\n5."Annual funding for UNRWA is on the order of several hundred million US dollars" You would have thought that with that budget they would have done something.\r\n6."UNRWA is a relief and human development agency, providing education, health care, social services and emergency aid to over 4.7 million Palestine refugees" That is a very small number of people compared to the other UN commite that deals with refugees.\r\n\r\n[quote]@tomer I like the comic you posted, where is it from?[/quote]\r\n\r\nhttp://www.cagle.com/

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iMogwai

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Posted December 21, '10 10:23pm UTC

WRONG. First Ottomans, then British, then civil war (1947), then Israel. See Palestine here in the sentence?

I'm going to tell you a little story.

A boy is on a swing. Let's call him Paul Estine. Now, while Paul's swinging and having fun, another boy gets hurt on the other side of the playground. Let's call him Ismael. Now, Ismael's sad, so a grown-up decides to put him on the swing with Paul. But Paul was already swinging, and there not that much room on the swing. Now, the two boys starts pushing each other. Eventually, Paul is pushed off the swing, and hurts himself. Now the grown-up tries to comfort Paul.

Now, if the grown-up puts Paul back on the swing, they'll fight again. If Ismael gets to stay on the swing, it'd be unfair to Paul. If the grown-up tells Ismael to get off the swing, he will be upset again, especially since it was the grown-up that put him there in the first place.

Get my point?
Now, in a case like that, the most fair decision would probably be to let Paul swing alone. But that'd make Ismael very upset, and the grown-up would look like a bad parent. That's why the grown-up is trying to find a way to settle this without ruining his reputation, and without having to admit he made a mistake.

[quote]WRONG. First Ottomans, then British, then civil war (1947), then Israel. See Palestine here in the sentence?[/quote]\r\n\r\nI'm going to tell you a little story.\r\n\r\nA boy is on a swing. Let's call him [b]Paul Estine[/b]. Now, while Paul's swinging and having fun, another boy gets hurt on the other side of the playground. Let's call him [b]Ismael[/b]. Now, Ismael's sad, so a grown-up decides to put him on the swing with Paul. But Paul was already swinging, and there not that much room on the swing. Now, the two boys starts pushing each other. Eventually, Paul is pushed off the swing, and hurts himself. Now the grown-up tries to comfort Paul.\r\n\r\nNow, if the grown-up puts Paul back on the swing, they'll fight again. If Ismael gets to stay on the swing, it'd be unfair to Paul. If the grown-up tells Ismael to get off the swing, he will be upset again, especially since it was the grown-up that put him there in the first place.\r\n\r\nGet my point?\r\nNow, in a case like that, the most fair decision would probably be to let Paul swing alone. But that'd make Ismael very upset, and the grown-up would look like a bad parent. That's why the grown-up is trying to find a way to settle this without ruining his reputation, and without having to admit he made a mistake.

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tomertheking

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Posted December 22, '10 4:24am UTC

A boy is on a swing. Let's call him Paul Estine. Now, while Paul's swinging and having fun, another boy gets hurt on the other side of the playground. Let's call him Ismael. Now, Ismael's sad, so a grown-up decides to put him on the swing with Paul. But Paul was already swinging, and there not that much room on the swing. Now, the two boys starts pushing each other. Eventually, Paul is pushed off the swing, and hurts himself. Now the grown-up tries to comfort Paul.

Good story, but not historically accurate. There were no Palestinian people 1947. I'll change the story.

A swing is under control of a bullie that keeps small children off the swing. Let's call him Brit. Now, while Brit ia keeping small children off the swing and having fun, another boy gets hurt on the other side of the playground. Let's call him Ismael. Now, Ismael's sad, so a grown-up decides to put him on the swing that s taken by Brit, which reluctantly agrees. But suddenly, as Ismael puts himself on the swing, the grown-ups put another boy on the swing. There not that much room on the swing, but they could have swinged together. Now, the two boys starts pushing each other. When both of them have already got black eyes, a gang by the name of "Arabo" appears and helps Paul. During the fight, Paul breaks his leg by the "Arabo". The gang, defeated, runs away from the scene. Now the grown-up returns from the playground, and scolds Ishmael for breaking Paul's leg.

[quote]A boy is on a swing. Let's call him Paul Estine. Now, while Paul's swinging and having fun, another boy gets hurt on the other side of the playground. Let's call him Ismael. Now, Ismael's sad, so a grown-up decides to put him on the swing with Paul. But Paul was already swinging, and there not that much room on the swing. Now, the two boys starts pushing each other. Eventually, Paul is pushed off the swing, and hurts himself. Now the grown-up tries to comfort Paul.[/quote]\r\n\r\nGood story, but not historically accurate. There were no Palestinian people 1947. I'll change the story.\r\n\r\nA swing is under control of a bullie that keeps small children off the swing. Let's call him Brit. Now, while Brit ia keeping small children off the swing and having fun, another boy gets hurt on the other side of the playground. Let's call him Ismael. Now, Ismael's sad, so a grown-up decides to put him on the swing that s taken by Brit, which reluctantly agrees. But suddenly, as Ismael puts himself on the swing, the grown-ups put another boy on the swing. There not that much room on the swing, but they could have swinged together. Now, the two boys starts pushing each other. When both of them have already got black eyes, a gang by the name of "Arabo" appears and helps Paul. During the fight, Paul breaks his leg by the "Arabo". The gang, defeated, runs away from the scene. Now the grown-up returns from the playground, and scolds Ishmael for breaking Paul's leg.

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Posted December 22, '10 1:58pm UTC

The link "2006" in the OP

Did you even read the link?

This year, after EYEontheUN exposed the scandal, the map did not appear and the moment of silence was cancelled.

In addition anyone with half a brain can tell it is an incredibly biased source. Complaining about the lack of Israeli coverage on a Palestinian solidarity day. Pathetic.

The Arabs are doing it for 62 years.

So if someone steals something from you, you have no right to want your stolen property back?

WRONG. First Ottomans, then British, then civil war (1947), then Israel. See Palestine here in the sentence?

Just because Palestine was occupied by different empires over the course of history does not mean to say Palestiniian people, ie., people of the same nationality (and by nationality I mean common language,culture, traditions, religion etc) did not live there. By your twisted logic anywhere which was under the rule of a larger state has no national identity until it is freed. Patently false.

Yeah!!! By the British mandate!

We British ruled it as a colony, the people we ruled over were still Palestinians.

"Simultaneously with", not "at the expense of".

Oh please. It seems pretty clear to me exactly what is going on:

http://bermudaradical.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/palestinian-loss-of-land1.jpg

1. The commite forces them to remain refugees, blocking aid to them. Of course, by world opinion this is humanitarian.

That's because they hope one day they will be able to regain their nationality and homes in Palestine. If they remove their status they could not do this. It is the other Arab nations they live in who are the real hypocrites here, giving it tons of anti Israeli rhetoric but not helping the Palestinians who have been removed from their homes.

2. Half of them ran away and now live around the world and lead normal lives.

Oh for crying out loud. If you are going to make ridiculous claims like this please give evidence. If by half 'ran away', you mean half were either forcibly removed from their homes by the IDF or were displaced by war, then you are correct. And the leading normal lives part is total BS. Most Palestinian refugees live in poverty.

3. Israel is not arab.

No. It's an artificially created zionist state. Your point?

4. The Palestinian war crimes prisoners in Israel get degrees in universities and live in clean rooms with a study. Hardly awful conditions.

Yes, and they all get broadband access to. Oh please. The number of human rights abuses performed by Israeli security forces against Palestinians is staggering. The number of detention facilities built solely for 'interrogation' purposes is massive.

5."Annual funding for UNRWA is on the order of several hundred million US dollars" You would have thought that with that budget they would have done something.

Hundreds of millions in peanuts to the US economy. It takes tens of billions to lift millions of refugees out of poverty. It is a paltry sum.

That is a very small number of people compared to the other UN commite that deals with refugees.

Refugees from other areas already get help from the UN. Tens of billions are poured into African countries every year. Hundreds of millions into Palestine isn't much at all in the grand scheme of things.

[quote]The link "2006" in the OP[/quote]\r\n\r\nDid you even read the link?\r\n\r\n[quote]This year, after EYEontheUN exposed the scandal, the map did not appear and the moment of silence was cancelled. [/quote]\r\n\r\nIn addition anyone with half a brain can tell it is an incredibly biased source. Complaining about the lack of Israeli coverage on a Palestinian solidarity day. Pathetic.\r\n\r\n[quote]The Arabs are doing it for 62 years.[/quote]\r\n\r\nSo if someone steals something from you, you have no right to want your stolen property back? \r\n\r\n[quote]WRONG. First Ottomans, then British, then civil war (1947), then Israel. See Palestine here in the sentence?[/quote]\r\n\r\nJust because Palestine was occupied by different empires over the course of history does not mean to say Palestiniian people, ie., people of the same [i]nationality[/i] (and by nationality I mean common language,culture, traditions, religion etc) did not live there. By your twisted logic anywhere which was under the rule of a larger state has no national identity until it is freed. Patently false.\r\n\r\n[quote]Yeah!!! By the British mandate![/quote]\r\n\r\nWe British ruled it as a colony, the people we ruled over were still Palestinians.\r\n\r\n[quote]"Simultaneously with", not "at the expense of".[/quote]\r\n\r\nOh please. It seems pretty clear to me exactly what is going on:\r\n\r\n[img]http://bermudaradical.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/palestinian-loss-of-land1.jpg[/img]\r\n\r\n[quote]1. The commite forces them to remain refugees, blocking aid to them. Of course, by world opinion this is humanitarian.[/quote]\r\n\r\nThat's because they hope one day they will be able to regain their nationality and homes in Palestine. If they remove their status they could not do this. It is the other Arab nations they live in who are the real hypocrites here, giving it tons of anti Israeli rhetoric but not helping the Palestinians who have been removed from their homes.\r\n\r\n[quote]2. Half of them ran away and now live around the world and lead normal lives.[/quote]\r\n\r\nOh for crying out loud. If you are going to make ridiculous claims like this please give evidence. If by half 'ran away', you mean half were either forcibly removed from their homes by the IDF or were displaced by war, then you are correct. And the leading normal lives part is total BS. Most Palestinian refugees live in poverty. \r\n\r\n[quote]3. Israel is not arab.[/quote]\r\n\r\nNo. It's an artificially created zionist state. Your point?\r\n\r\n[quote]4. The Palestinian war crimes prisoners in Israel get degrees in universities and live in clean rooms with a study. Hardly awful conditions.[/quote]\r\n\r\nYes, and they all get broadband access to. Oh please. The number of human rights abuses performed by Israeli security forces against Palestinians is staggering. The number of detention facilities built solely for 'interrogation' purposes is massive.\r\n\r\n[quote]5."Annual funding for UNRWA is on the order of several hundred million US dollars" You would have thought that with that budget they would have done something.[/quote]\r\n\r\nHundreds of millions in peanuts to the US economy. It takes tens of billions to lift millions of refugees out of poverty. It is a paltry sum.\r\n\r\n[quote]That is a very small number of people compared to the other UN commite that deals with refugees.[/quote]\r\n\r\nRefugees from other areas already get help from the UN. Tens of billions are poured into African countries every year. Hundreds of millions into Palestine isn't much at all in the grand scheme of things.

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tomertheking

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Posted December 22, '10 6:19pm UTC

If I compare it to your map, what Israel gets is mostly desert. and don't say that the west bank is a desert. Look at the Israel-Jordan border in the north.

We British ruled it as a colony, the people we ruled over were still Palestinians.

By "Palestinians" you mean Arabs and Jews,right? Same problem with your graph. Fix the green to "non-jewish land"

Did you even read the link?

From the start to the end.

In addition anyone with half a brain can tell it is an incredibly biased source. Complaining about the lack of Israeli coverage on a Palestinian solidarity day. Pathetic.

They are being sarcastic about the events the previous year. Read closer.

So if someone steals something from you, you have no right to want your stolen property back?

So if someone gives you independence, you have no right to want even more property "back"? NO.

Oh please. It seems pretty clear to me exactly what is going on:

Poor analogy. Buying a wrench from the depot does not make me the thief of said wrench. Also, please apply this logic to the picture:

Just because Palestine was occupied by different empires over the course of history does not mean to say Palestiniian people, ie., people of the same nationality (and by nationality I mean common language,culture, traditions, religion etc) did not live there. By your twisted logic anywhere which was under the rule of a larger state has no national identity until it is freed. Patently false.

First picture is personal property (British mandate is ruling at the time). Second picture is county borders. As you said, different things.

That's because they hope one day they will be able to regain their nationality and homes in Palestine.

A fatal demographical death to Israel, if done. Please note the word "forced" and not "given".

Most Palestinian refugees live in poverty.

Those that stayed, yes. The other ones are not refuges- they were smart enough to predict the result of the war before its final hours.

No. It's an artificially created zionist state. Your point?

I was talking about this remark:

Israeli and other Arab

Since we're talking about it, wasn't the US made by the hate for taxes? and Britain by French conquest? I could make a long list of such countries, with an even poorer reason for being founded.

Hundreds of millions in peanuts to the US economy. It takes tens of billions to lift millions of refugees out of poverty. It is a paltry sum.

Let's look at some facts from wikipedia about UNRWA:

Formation: 8 December 1949.

61 years! For God's sake! and no results!

giving it tons of anti Israeli rhetoric but not helping the Palestinians who have been removed from their homes.

Who they moved out(mostly). Yeah, look at this map:

http://learning.seriousgames.dk/media/10776/borders.gif

The West bank and Gaza are in Arab hands. Israel had not touched it till 1967. and UMRWA was founded in 1949 to help Palestinians. I wonder what Israel has to do with it.

As it happens, Banâs initial budget report for 2008-2009 said very similar things, noting that big increases from hikes in extra-budgetary resources went to UNHCR â" $423.3 million â" and UNWRA â" 122.9 million.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2009/09/17/budget-believe-billion/

UNHCR- 21 018 589 refugees
Quite a gap.

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Southeast_mediterranean_annotated_geography.jpg/275px-Southeast_mediterranean_annotated_geography.jpg[/img]\r\n\r\nIf I compare it to your map, what Israel gets is mostly desert. and don't say that the west bank is a desert. Look at the Israel-Jordan border in the north.\r\n\r\n[quote]We British ruled it as a colony, the people we ruled over were still Palestinians.\r\n[/quote]\r\n\r\nBy "Palestinians" you mean Arabs and Jews,right? Same problem with your graph. Fix the green to "non-jewish land"\r\n\r\n[quote]Did you even read the link?[/quote]\r\n\r\nFrom the start to the end.\r\n\r\n[quote]In addition anyone with half a brain can tell it is an incredibly biased source. Complaining about the lack of Israeli coverage on a Palestinian solidarity day. Pathetic.[/quote]\r\n\r\nThey are being sarcastic about the events the previous year. Read closer.\r\n\r\n[quote]So if someone steals something from you, you have no right to want your stolen property back?[/quote]\r\n\r\nSo if someone gives you independence, you have no right to want even more property "back"? NO.\r\n\r\n[quote]Oh please. It seems pretty clear to me exactly what is going on:[/quote]\r\n\r\nPoor analogy. Buying a wrench from the depot does not make me the thief of said wrench. Also, please apply this logic to the picture: \r\n\r\n[quote]Just because Palestine was occupied by different empires over the course of history does not mean to say Palestiniian people, ie., people of the same nationality (and by nationality I mean common language,culture, traditions, religion etc) did not live there. By your twisted logic anywhere which was under the rule of a larger state has no national identity until it is freed. Patently false.[/quote] \r\n\r\nFirst picture is personal property (British mandate is ruling at the time). Second picture is county borders. As you said, different things.\r\n\r\n[quote]That's because they hope one day they will be able to regain their nationality and homes in Palestine.[/quote]\r\n\r\nA fatal demographical death to Israel, if done. Please note the word "forced" and not "given".\r\n\r\n[quote]Most Palestinian refugees live in poverty.[/quote]\r\n\r\nThose that stayed, yes. The other ones are not refuges- they were smart enough to predict the result of the war before its final hours.\r\n\r\n[quote]No. It's an artificially created zionist state. Your point?[/quote]\r\n\r\nI was talking about this remark: [quote]Israeli and other Arab[/quote]\r\n\r\nSince we're talking about it, wasn't the US made by the hate for taxes? and Britain by French conquest? I could make a long list of such countries, with an even poorer reason for being founded.\r\n\r\n[quote]Hundreds of millions in peanuts to the US economy. It takes tens of billions to lift millions of refugees out of poverty. It is a paltry sum.[/quote]\r\n\r\nLet's look at some facts from wikipedia about UNRWA:\r\n\r\nFormation:	8 December 1949.\r\n\r\n61 years! For God's sake! and no results! \r\n\r\n[quote]giving it tons of anti Israeli rhetoric but not helping the Palestinians who have been removed from their homes.[/quote]\r\n\r\nWho they moved out(mostly). Yeah, look at this map:\r\n[img]http://learning.seriousgames.dk/media/10776/borders.gif[/img]\r\n\r\nThe West bank and Gaza are in Arab hands. Israel had not touched it till 1967. and UMRWA was founded in 1949 to help Palestinians. I wonder what Israel has to do with it. \r\n\r\nAs it happens, Banâ��s initial budget report for 2008-2009 said very similar things, noting that big increases from hikes in extra-budgetary resources went to UNHCR â�" $423.3 million â�" and UNWRA â�" 122.9 million.\r\n\r\n[url=http://www.foxnews.com/world/2009/09/17/budget-believe-billion/]http://www.foxnews.com/world/2009/09/17/budget-believe-billion/[/url]\r\n\r\n\r\nUNHCR- 21 018 589 refugees\r\nQuite a gap.

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Posted May 12, '11 8:25pm UTC

am i missing something pinglun? WTF!?
also i dont see why you couldnt have stated these points in the israel thread but what the hey...

you keep saying that the term palestinian includes jews, this isnt corect really as there were a very small population of jews living there under british rule, and none of them are ethnically from that area they are NOT palestinian, they are of european heritage

and erm i would like to add to the anolgy of the wrench, you may have bought the wrench from the seller, but the person selling that wrench stole it in the first place, you have the right to be reinbursed but doesnt the person the wrench was stolen from have the right to have it back?

and its a joke to say that just because a country has been opressed for so long that it loses its right to freedom or for its people to even considererd as to having their own nantionality, PAH! two wrongs dont make a right

and just because a country has been founded from stupid barbaric routes doesnt mean it has to continue being stupid and barbaric, but this is what israel seems to be determined to do, to qoute a great man:

'tis no shame to be born in the dark boys, but tis the real sin wanting to stay there'

and your point about UMRWA being founded in 1949 is moot really, i mean yeah you have a valid point at the time it wasnt anything to do with isreal, but it certainly is now!

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am i missing something pinglun? WTF!?\r\nalso i dont see why you couldnt have stated these points in the israel thread but what the hey...\r\n\r\nyou keep saying that the term palestinian includes jews, this isnt corect really as there were a very small population of jews living there under british rule, and none of them are ethnically from that area they are NOT palestinian, they are of european heritage\r\n\r\nand erm i would like to add to the anolgy of the wrench, you may have bought the wrench from the seller, but the person selling that wrench stole it in the first place, you have the right to be reinbursed but doesnt the person the wrench was stolen from have the right to have it back?\r\n\r\nand its a joke to say that just because a country has been opressed for so long that it loses its right to freedom or for its people to even considererd as to having their own nantionality, PAH! two wrongs dont make a right\r\n\r\nand just because a country has been founded from stupid barbaric routes doesnt mean it has to continue being stupid and barbaric, but this is what israel seems to be determined to do, to qoute a great man:\r\n\r\n'tis no shame to be born in the dark boys, but tis the real sin wanting to stay there'\r\n\r\nand your point about UMRWA being founded in 1949 is moot really, i mean yeah you have a valid point at the time it wasnt anything to do with isreal, but it certainly is now!\r\n\r\n/|\\

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Posted May 13, '11 1:46am UTC

Well, from what I learned in my world geography class (not saying it's right or not), the Israeli soldiers go through Palestinian villages and towns with tanks and APCs. Of course, strapping a chest bomb on and running into a building isn't right either, but I get why each side wants a part of Israel. Personally, I want to go on a pilgrimage to Israel someday to learn more about my faith (Christianity) and a little bit more about Judaism and Islam.

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Posted May 13, '11 5:28pm UTC

and maybe alittle more about world affairs, harassment, repression, death, mindless destruction, suicide death, murder and crime, oh and how hopefully to dodge bullets, have fun....

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