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I have been sick since yesterday, stuck in bed all day yesterday, and have only managed to reach my computer do to the help of modern medicine. So now it is a proper time for the "Whence Commith Evil?" thread.
So were does "evil" come from? And I am not speaking for human evil, I am speaking for natural disasters, sickness, and other things that are "evil" but not caused by humans. Why would your god create that? And if it wasn't your god who created it, who was it? And why doesn't your god simply stop it? And if your god is for some reason unable to stop disease, then why can modern medicine stop what your god can't? And if your god causes it, then why can modern medicine stop it? Is medicine more powerful than your god?
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I know many Christians who believe in God and Heaven only. They don't care about the Bible. The God n the Bible is imperfect, and if many of them read it, they would become atheists, unaware f=of the 5,000 other religions in the world.
Everyone will eventually realize that the God in the Bible is a ******, but the God in their mind is the perfect being. Stop rushing people's own enlightenment.
God in their mind is the perfect being
Break to - Anselm's argument:
But a hypothetical God that exists is more perfect than the God in their mind!!
Sorry - Off-topic.
Okay, are you going to flame my religion or are you just being devil's advocate?
I thought the correct response was: both.
But a hypothetical God that exists is more perfect than the God in their mind!!
Aren't they the same thing?
I know many Christians who believe in God and Heaven only. They don't care about the Bible. The God n the Bible is imperfect, and if many of them read it, they would become atheists, unaware f=of the 5,000 other religions in the world.
There are a lot more religions in the world then that, but you are right that there are many who would stop believing if they just read the Bible.
Everyone will eventually realize that the God in the Bible is a ******, but the God in their mind is the perfect being. Stop rushing people's own enlightenment.
A bit like the hero we imagine someone to be is always larger then life.
Everyone will eventually realize that the God in the Bible is a ******, but the God in their mind is the perfect being.
Eh, and how, pray tell, does an imperfect being, using imperfect tools thus create perfection? Or, to pose a query to the religious in general, how does an imperfect mind grasp a perfect being? We cannot even fathom perfection (outside of mathematics, of course) yet we have millions of faithful worldwide who claim to understand the mind of a perfect being. This simply is not possible. If they DO understand their chosen deity then that deity must be imperfect. And what good is an imperfect deity?
Or, if they in fact do not understand said deity then religion is pointless as it is aimed at placating some deity or another. Yet without complete comprehension of the deity then one can never truly serve that deity properly.
it depends if you ironically put faith in the whole, if enough people believe it, therefore it exists, school of philosphy.
Yeah, about that. Millions of people, at one time, believed the Earth was flat. That did NOT make it so. Oh, and we had millions who believed that the stars were holes in a firmament. Yep, that didn't make it so. So now we have millions who believe in a benevolent and invisible man who sees, hears, knows, and created everything and wants us to worship him. See where this is going?
"No amount of belief makes something a fact." - James Randi
We cannot even fathom perfection (outside of mathematics, of course) yet we have millions of faithful worldwide who claim to understand the mind of a perfect being.
I don't think that perfection itself can be a true property of an object. Actions and ideas can be perfect, but not material objects.
Eh, and how, pray tell, does an imperfect being, using imperfect tools thus create perfection?
I think what he meant was taking ones personal concept of what perfection is and projecting that on, in this case a deity.
Exactly Mage. However if we are projecting our own ideas onto this deity then we are, in essence, creating it. The point that I am trying (poorly it seems) to make is that if this deity is truly perfect then no mortal mind can understand it, and hence any claims of even the slightest knowledge of it are inherently false. On the other hand, if this deity is not perfect and we are simply projecting our own ideas of what a perfect deity would be like then any worship of, or claims to the perfection of said deity are pointless, as they are directed at a man-made construct, not an omniscient and omnipresent deity. Either way religion cannot be accurate, and thus is pointless.
Umm.... Are you getting back on topic now or are you going to just flame a bunch of Christians? If you actually read the Bible instead of reading the little headings they put, you start to understand.
Oh, and by the way, have you people looked up Pascal's gamble (or something like that)?
Umm.... Are you getting back on topic now or are you going to just flame a bunch of Christians?
Get off the cross it's occupied.
If you actually read the Bible instead of reading the little headings they put, you start to understand.
Yes, granted I haven't read threw the whole thing in a while, so my memory of the whole thing might not be that great, but I do plan to do a refresher at some point. And guess what reading the Bible is why I think what I think of God.
Oh, and by the way, have you people looked up Pascal's gamble (or something like that)?
Yes I'm quite aware of Pascals Wager. Since there are more then just two choices in this scenario his gamble falls apart entirely.
Oh, and by the way, have you people looked up Pascal's gamble (or something like that)?
Pascal's wager only considers one possible deity, what of all the others?
Oh, and by the way, have you people looked up Pascal's gamble (or something like that)?
Yeah, and it sounds quite retard to me, because the 50-50 possibilities thing is not true, since we have thousands of different beliefs, each other thinking that all the other beliefs followers deserve death. So every one you chose the possibility to "guess" is extremely low.
Yeah, and it sounds quite retard to me, because the 50-50 possibilities thing is not true, since we have thousands of different beliefs, each other thinking that all the other beliefs followers deserve death. So every one you chose the possibility to "guess" is extremely low.
It get's even worse from there, because even if you did get the correct religion (assuming there is even one) you are still likely facing 10s of thousands of variations there in. So even if we narrowed it down to just one religion or no religion, you still have a good chance of getting it wrong.
It could be that god exists but wants you to use critical thinking that he has blessed humans with and not believe, or face eternal punishment. Worse yet, the spaghetti monster could punish you with a fate worse than hell x 1000000000000000000000 if you don't worship it.
It could be that god exists but wants you to use critical thinking that he has blessed humans with and not believe, or face eternal punishment.
This would make sense if such a being does exist given how out of the way he would have had to go to make it look like he doesn't exist.
If God is Protestant, you are hell bound for picking the incorrect denomination out of 435+ possibilities.
LOL, try about 35,000+.
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