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Kevin4762
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Why does everyone blame Obama for the country being the way it is? He actually has only two obligations, to declare war and to veto or affirm bills passed by Congress. Even then, Congress can overrule both.

It seems that people want one man to solve their problems alone, as if it is a temporary dictatorship. Congress is made up of 535 people. Those people are people that citizens voted for. Even if they did not vote for Obama, they still probably voted for a member of Congress that won.

Obama really can't do much other than to plead to Congress to address the topics he wants Congress address in his State of the Union address. Besides, if Obama is doing any thing unconstitutional, Congress can't impeach him. The Supreme Court can only deem his actions unconstitutional, and then impeach him. He can be impeached from office, but not removed from office unless he did something horrendous.

So, why do people want to impeach Obama, force his image on the reason the country's status is like this, and blame him for not being able to be bipartisan with the increasingly leftist Republicans?

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Maverick4
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I must apologize for sparking the debate that has sense moved off-topic. So, anybody interested can make an alternate thread, or we can start talking about the O-Man once again.

Thanks.

Moe
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I'm fairly confident Bush didn't invade anywhere for oil. The man was trying to protect america. We invaded afghanistan because planes ran into our buildings... we invaded iraq because Saddam Hussein was believed to have weapons of mass destruction. If you go back to 2003 and look at the intelligence gathered, there was no reason to believe Saddam didnt have WMDs and planned to use them. The only time people believed there werent WMDs was after we invaded. we gave saddam PLENTY of chances to submit a report of his weapons... he just didnt


American intelligence, everyone else said there were no weapons. And if you look at it, Bush was an oil man, there were problems with getting oil from Iraq. Now they have it and are making a fortune, and as for why it is not cheap, its the same reason we still use oil, the owners are both wealthy and greedy.
Squidbears
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who had reason to believe there werent weapons? saddam kicked out the UN weapon inspectors, what reason would he have to do that other than he was hiding illegal weapons?

Moe
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who had reason to believe there werent weapons? saddam kicked out the UN weapon inspectors, what reason would he have to do that other than he was hiding illegal weapons?


Maybe because he was a dictator, who didn't want people seeing him destroy his country? Clearly it wasn't because he had weapons, but then we knew that years before our government admitted it.
Squidbears
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Clearly it wasnt because he had weapons? he had gased Iraqis in the past, murded hundreds of people, would it really be hard to assume he had weapons of mass destruction? Bush, his staff, congress... everyone thought suddam had wbds.. it was a surprise that he didnt

Moe
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Bush, his staff, congress... everyone thought suddam had wbds.. it was a surprise that he didnt


Once again, only to them. The rest of the world knew there were not any WMDs in Iraq.

Clearly it wasnt because he had weapons? he had gased Iraqis in the past, murded hundreds of people, would it really be hard to assume he had weapons of mass destruction?


Yes, because WMDs require a lot more work and supplies that gassing or murdering people.
Kevin4762
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Well, what I hated about Bush did was that he made it seem that they were 100% sure that there were WMDs in Iraq. It would have been better if they were cautious, but not extreme.

Squidbears
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guess what... nerve gas is a weapon of mass destruction, look up what the US government describes a WMD as. Saddam had used them in the past against his own people, he had them at one point, and gave nobody a reason to believe he got rid of them. The UN backed bush.. so i think that everyone believed Iraq had WMDs

Moe
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guess what... nerve gas is a weapon of mass destruction, look up what the US government describes a WMD as. Saddam had used them in the past against his own people, he had them at one point, and gave nobody a reason to believe he got rid of them. The UN backed bush.. so i think that everyone believed Iraq had WMDs


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

Care to try that again? By the time of the war under Bush Jr. Iraq had nothing left.
Squidbears
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my bad, he had UN support for invading afghanistan, but i still dont believe he invaded iraq for oil. Al Qaeda was taking refuge in Iraq, and Iraq had a dangerous dictator. We didnt want Al Qaeda to take control of all the oil fields in Iraq, so if we took control of oil fields it was to prevent al qaeda from taking them.

Squidbears
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We didnt invade Iraq in order to get oil, we invaded to try to remove a corrupt government that was sheltering terrorists.

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It's possible it was just a good excuse. But why does America seek to get oil from a hostile country, when there are other places like Canada?

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Then after further reading, found this:


The United States (US) oil supply is a frequent topic of discussion within the US, because of increasing concerns about dependence on oil as a source of fuel. According to the US Department of Energy, 40% of America's energy needs are met through petroleum products. Many citizens are worried about the impacts of oil on the environment, and would like to see the country moving towards more sustainable sources of oil. In addition, there is a great deal of controversy over the sources for American oil, and the political maneuvering which is necessary in order to meet American demands for oil.

Approximately 40% of America's oil comes from domestic oil fields in states like Texas, Alaska, and California. Some of this oil is actually sold to other countries, such as Japan. The other 60% of the US oil supply is from foreign sources. Contrary to popular belief, however, the US has very diverse oil interests all over the world, and receives oil and petroleum products from almost every continent on Earth. This diversity within the US oil supply allows allows for the manufacture of a wide range of petroleum products, using crude oil of various chemical makeups.

Canada, Saudi Arabia, Colombia, Nigeria, Angola, and Iraq all contribute sizable amounts to the US oil supply. America also imports oil from Kuwait, Norway, the United Kingdom, Venezuela, Equatorial Guinea, and Algeria. Numerous other countries ship refined oil products to the United States to supplement the output of American refineries. The diversity of the US oil supply makes it difficult to cut off the country's supply of oil altogether, although wrinkles in the supply chain could be problematic.

Much of the US oil supply comes from member nations of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC). OPEC member nations are supposed to work together to ensure stable oil prices while safeguarding oil reserves and ensuring that countries around the world have access to oil when they need it. The US oil supply is not, however, restricted to OPEC sources, and the country regularly imports oil from countries which are not member nations, such as Canada, at varying prices.

While the sources for American oil are myriad, many of the countries which contribute the bulk of the US oil supply are economically and politically unstable. This has led to concerns about the security of the US oil supply, since a major political disturbance could be devastating. For this reason, the US also maintains an oil reserve for emergency situations, and is devoting funding to the development of energy alternatives.

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So, invading Iraq for oil was senseless. It isn't even our main supplier. But that isn't the debate here, sorry to jump in!
Moe
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We didnt invade Iraq in order to get oil, we invaded to try to remove a corrupt government that was sheltering terrorists.


Really? Because there are numerous other countries that do that, some of which have access to and are working on nuclear bombs.
Squidbears
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what countries are you referring to?

Moe
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what countries are you referring to?


Iran is one, I believe North Korea has or may have access to nuclear materials. Though at the moment I can't think of more and I don't feel like looking it up.
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