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braheehinny

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Posted January 28, '11 1:34am UTC

I have a question, is it possible that Mt. Rushmore could be created by nature) You would say no. If Mt. Rushmore could not be created by nature than how could somthing so complex as a human being (Or even a honeybee) be created by somthing that DOES NOT have divine powers? There would have to have been a creator. A house is much like a human being, it has electrical, plumbing, a structure, a skin, and where did it come from? did it just POOF come out of nowhere? Or was it built?

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braheehinny

39 posts

Nomad

Posted January 28, '11 1:39am UTC

I have to eat dinner and go to bed. God bless you brother and PM me if you want to continue this. I will pray for you.

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Joe96

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Peasant

Posted January 28, '11 1:40am UTC

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ

1.This passage was written by Ephesians, not Jesus Christ.
2.It also was written hundreds to thousands of years ago when slavery was acceptable
3.Also, as a Catholic, I don't take most of the Bible stories literally like some other sects. Much of what is in the Bible is interpreted as a metaphor.

[quote]When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.[/quote]\r\n[quote]Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear.  Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ[/quote]\r\n1.This passage was written by Ephesians, [i]not[/i] Jesus Christ.\r\n2.It also was written hundreds to thousands of years ago when slavery was acceptable\r\n3.Also, as a Catholic, I don't take most of the Bible stories literally like some other sects.  Much of what is in the Bible is interpreted as a metaphor.

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iMogwai

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Posted January 28, '11 1:41am UTC

have a question, is it possible that Mt. Rushmore could be created by nature) You would say no. If Mt. Rushmore could not be created by nature than how could somthing so complex as a human being (Or even a honeybee) be created by somthing that DOES NOT have divine powers?

This is probably one of the most stupid things I've ever heard. The reason why it couldn't have been created by nature is that nature would have no reason to do so. Sure, nature would've been able to shape the rock, but the rock's shape makes no sense to nature itself, it only makes sense to us silly humans, which is why we're the only ones who can make it. Nature just does what's natural, and it tries to reach a balance. It does not actively work to make the world look pretty or to shape things to certain figures for purely cosmetic reasons.

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Joe96

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Posted January 28, '11 1:43am UTC

If every interaction of the universe can be explained using physics, then how is a God necessary? Can you prove that God interacts with the universe?

But if we can explain "everything that happens in the universe with physics"(which I'm not saying don't exist), how come we can't travel through time and space?

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slayguy8

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Peasant

Posted January 28, '11 2:14am UTC

Ok if god DID exist how could be a man be in the clouds when man has been through the clouds and all they saw were clouds! like you to explain THAT!

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Einfach

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Nomad

Posted January 28, '11 2:15am UTC

Ok if god DID exist how could be a man be in the clouds when man has been through the clouds and all they saw were clouds! like you to explain THAT!

Nothing about religion asserts that God exists solely in the clouds.

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MageGrayWolf

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Farmer

Posted January 28, '11 2:40am UTC

I really don't see why this can't be carried on in the topic already established by tiger that freak posted a link to on the first page. Furthermore the OP is nothing but spam.

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thingthingjack

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Nomad

Posted January 28, '11 2:47am UTC

if there's such a thing as faith healing, then explain this.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23832053/ns/health-health_care/
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20101207_Parents_on_trial_for_praying_while_sick_child_died.html

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Einfach

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Nomad

Posted January 28, '11 2:48am UTC

Furthermore the OP is nothing but spam.

It's a challenge to a duel of the mind. One of the prereq's of dueling is that you can't go running off and never come back. So I'm assuming he's coming back sometime to answer our blows.

The OP explained (not in his OP) that he didn't like the way tiger was handling it, so let's give him a chance to rebut our arguments.

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Necaremus

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Nomad

Posted January 28, '11 3:27am UTC

In what alternate universe does the word slave mean servant? Besides, the bible contradicts itself a lot and is a pile of trash (no offense believers). Also, "god" didn't set down rules for the human race; the bible literally supports slavery. The bible is also completely male written, so women have no rights. Consider this. If we all followed the rules of the Bible completely no question, we would all be male orientated slave dealers.

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MageGrayWolf

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Posted January 28, '11 3:29am UTC

The OP explained (not in his OP) that he didn't like the way tiger was handling it, so let's give him a chance to rebut our arguments.

Very well.

What is my evidence? For one, personal experience.

To start off this is not evidence. Since this is just your own personal experience, we can not recreate or test it in any way to determine if you are gauging what happened to you accurately.

I have been protected from SERIOUS accidents that many others (Non-believers) have not.

Sorry but the number of serious accidents are not disproportionate between believers and non believers.

I have been healed from things unhealable (diabetes) after praying.

What type of diabetes?

God (Yahweh in Hebrew) has talked to me in life or death situations telling me what to do.

Again this is your own personal experience, totally useless as proof. This could just as easily (and far more likely) to just be your own subconscious.

Many of the Bible's prophecies have been fulfilled and in them (which most people don't understand) are metaphors and things that are figurative.

The one's that have been "fulfilled" was the result either self fulfilling prophecies, or were so vague they could be applied to many situations.
As for the metaphor vs. literal point, there is no clear line between what is what. So we could just as easily say God is just a metaphor. Also it might be worth noting the things int he Bible are only considered metaphor after being proved to not possibly have been able to have happened. So really this is nothing more then moving the goal post.

I have a question, is it possible that Mt. Rushmore could be created by nature) You would say no. If Mt. Rushmore could not be created by nature than how could somthing so complex as a human being (Or even a honeybee) be created by somthing that DOES NOT have divine powers? There would have to have been a creator. A house is much like a human being, it has electrical, plumbing, a structure, a skin, and where did it come from? did it just POOF come out of nowhere? Or was it built?

Rock or houses do not have the same properties self replicating molecules have, so right off the bat the two are not comparable. Second we didn't start off complex but rather basic. Finally we have plenty of example of nature forming very complex structures (for example crystals) with the need for a creator, or any sort of divine power involved.

Now for my question. Does the Bible ever contradict itself? If not please answer the following questions.

According to the Bible,
-Has anyone seen God? (yes or no)
-Should the son be punished for what his father's sins? (yes or no)
-When the Devil was trying to tempt Jesus, where did the devil take Jesus to first? (the temple or the mountain)
-As Jesus and his followers left Jericho, how many blind men did Jesus heal? (one or two)

[quote]The OP explained (not in his OP) that he didn't like the way tiger was handling it, so let's give him a chance to rebut our arguments.[/quote]\r\n\r\nVery well.\r\n\r\n[quote]What is my evidence? For one, personal experience.[/quote]\r\n\r\nTo start off this is not evidence. Since this is just your own personal experience, we can not recreate or test it in any way to determine if you are gauging what happened to you accurately. \r\n\r\n[quote]I have been protected from SERIOUS accidents that many others (Non-believers) have not.[/quote]\r\n\r\nSorry but the number of serious accidents are not disproportionate between believers and non believers. \r\n\r\n[quote]I have been healed from things unhealable (diabetes) after praying.[/quote]\r\n\r\nWhat type of diabetes?\r\n\r\n[quote]God (Yahweh in Hebrew) has talked to me in life or death situations telling me what to do.[/quote]\r\n\r\nAgain this is your own personal experience, totally useless as proof. This could just as easily (and far more likely) to just be your own subconscious.\r\n\r\n[quote]Many of the Bible's prophecies have been fulfilled and in them (which most people don't understand) are metaphors and things that are figurative.[/quote]\r\n\r\nThe one's that have been "fulfilled"  was the result either self fulfilling prophecies, or were so vague they could be applied to many situations. \r\nAs for the metaphor vs. literal point, there is no clear line between what is what. So we could just as easily say God is just a metaphor. Also it might be worth noting the things int he Bible are only considered metaphor after being proved to not possibly have been able to have happened. So really this is nothing more then moving the goal post.\r\n\r\n[quote]I have a question, is it possible that Mt. Rushmore could be created by nature) You would say no. If Mt. Rushmore could not be created by nature than how could somthing so complex as a human being (Or even a honeybee) be created by somthing that DOES NOT have divine powers? There would have to have been a creator. A house is much like a human being, it has electrical, plumbing, a structure, a skin, and where did it come from? did it just POOF come out of nowhere? Or was it built?[/quote]\r\n\r\nRock or houses do not have the same properties self replicating molecules have, so right off the bat the two are not comparable. Second we didn't start off complex but rather basic. Finally we have plenty of example of nature forming very complex structures (for example crystals)  with the need for a creator, or any sort of divine power involved.\r\n\r\nNow for my question. Does the Bible ever contradict itself? If not please answer the following questions.\r\n\r\nAccording to the Bible,\r\n-Has anyone seen God? (yes or no)\r\n-Should the son be punished for what his father's sins? (yes or no)\r\n-When the Devil was trying to tempt Jesus, where did the devil take Jesus to first? (the temple or the mountain)\r\n-As Jesus and his followers left Jericho, how many blind men did Jesus heal? (one or two)

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samy

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Posted January 28, '11 3:29am UTC

God (Yahweh in Hebrew) has talked to me in life or death situations telling me what to do.

Allah in Arabic.

I believed, I broke my ankle and tore my ACL; the world was still a hell hole and god still refused to do anything about it.

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Joe96

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Peasant

Posted January 28, '11 3:42am UTC

Ok if god DID exist how could be a man be in the clouds when man has been through the clouds and all they saw were clouds! like you to explain THAT!

You're joking right?

Prove to me that God is not a giant invisible pink unicorn

He could be...if that's what you want I guess

-Has anyone seen God? (yes or no)

Yes actually, Jesus's closest disciples were said to have witnessed God with Jesus.

-Should the son be punished for what his father's sins? (yes or no)

No, he shouldn't be but it happens a lot. For example, if someone's father does something wrong to someone, they may seek revenge on that person's son.

-When the Devil was trying to tempt Jesus, where did the devil take Jesus to first? (the temple or the mountain)

I'm not sure how well I remember, but I'm pretty sure He was taken to the mountain to be tempted.

-As Jesus and his followers left Jericho, how many blind men did Jesus heal? (one or two)

If this is the Reading I'm thinking of, he cured one person.

[quote]Ok if god DID exist how could be a man be in the clouds when man has been through the clouds and all they saw were clouds! like you to explain THAT![/quote]\r\nYou're joking right?\r\n[quote]Prove to me that God is not a giant invisible pink unicorn[/quote]\r\nHe could be...if that's what you want I guess\r\n[quote]-Has anyone seen God? (yes or no)[/quote]\r\nYes actually, Jesus's closest disciples were said to have witnessed God with Jesus.\r\n[quote]-Should the son be punished for what his father's sins? (yes or no)[/quote]\r\nNo, he shouldn't be but it happens a lot. For example, if someone's father does something wrong to someone, they may seek revenge on that person's son.\r\n[quote]-When the Devil was trying to tempt Jesus, where did the devil take Jesus to first? (the temple or the mountain)[/quote]\r\nI'm not sure how well I remember, but I'm pretty sure He was taken to the mountain to be tempted.\r\n[quote]-As Jesus and his followers left Jericho, how many blind men did Jesus heal? (one or two)[/quote]\r\nIf this is the Reading I'm thinking of, he cured one person.

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Einfach

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Posted January 28, '11 3:51am UTC

I have been healed from things unhealable (diabetes) after praying.

Oops - I completely missed this fallacy. Correlation does not imply causation.

This is equivalent to "before women had the right to vote, there were no nuclear weapons."

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