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While Julian Assange is currently facing extradition to Sweden over alleged **** charges, debate is still raging about whether this is politically motivated, or whether this is a serious charge against the Wikileaks founder?
What are your opinions? Not only about the current case, but about Wikileaks in general? Do you think that Wikileaks is, as they say, keeping governments open? Or is Wikileaks a criminal organization? Maybe your opinion lies somewhere inbetween?
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If what is published is something that should not have been kept hidden, I don't think it's as felonious as that. It's surely not to be taken light-hearted, but it all depends on what is being published, and when.
Information can be considered property and if that property (information) is stolen, then it would be considered stolen property.
If it wasn't meant to be hidden, that's another story. The government only has to reveal what it is forced to reveal, the rest is can be hidden (information).
The government only has to reveal what it is forced to reveal, the rest is can be hidden (information).
Bull****, in a democracy all individuals have equal say in the government, and to insure they're making the right choices about that government, should be given all information about the government that exists. Assange is giving the government back to the people, he's prevented the government from thinking without the consent of the people that it represents, he's brought us a step closer to democracy.
Bull****, in a democracy all individuals have equal say in the government, and to insure they're making the right choices about that government, should be given all information about the government that exists. Assange is giving the government back to the people, he's prevented the government from thinking without the consent of the people that it represents, he's brought us a step closer to democracy.
Meh. I'm neutral on the matter so I really don't care. I don't mind not knowing since I wouldn't know what I'm missing out and I wouldn't mind knowing since.
I think Wikileaks is the dumbest website ever. They released a list of all the possible terrorist attack spots.
Then the terrorists are going to say "Look a vulnerable place we can bomb!) So they send a suicide bomber or something and blow the crap out of that place and kill a hundred people.
That + the possible sexual assault charges make me think Julian Assange should get life without parole. And Wikileaks should be deleted. If any of these Anonymous people come up, do what they did in the G20 in Toronto. Tear gas anyone?
if you ask me, its kind of like an internet war. think about it. wikileaks, think about Egypt. all the information was over the internet!
He can't be charged for publishing them, but receiving stolen property is felonious.
A person is guilty of receipt of stolen property only if the accused acted knowingly and willfully.
And, frankly in this particular case it's quite difficult for the State to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person received these informations deliberately and with the knowledge that they had been obtained illegally.
Bottom line, he cannot be charged. If he could have been charged for receipt of stolen property they would have -definitely and heretofore- charged him.
A person is guilty of receipt of stolen property only if the accused acted knowingly and willfully.
And, frankly in this particular case it's quite difficult for the State to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person received these informations deliberately and with the knowledge that they had been obtained illegally.
Bottom line, he cannot be charged. If he could have been charged for receipt of stolen property they would have -definitely and heretofore- charged him.
Actually, reasonable suspicion is all you need. You know how easy it is to charge someone based on reasonable suspicion? If you buy new shoes that cost $400 and you usually wear shoes that cost $50, I could claim you stole them and take you to court and I could win.
That's how easy it is. He can be charged, convicted, and sentenced for receiving stolen property that he had no idea was stolen. It has been done before, and it will be done again.
That + the possible sexual assault charges make me think Julian Assange should get life without parole.
Charges.
think Wikileaks is the dumbest website ever.
Ever been to 4chan?
Then the terrorists are going to say "Look a vulnerable place we can bomb!)
Uhhhhh, no.
And Wikileaks should be deleted.
The internet is free, forcing our country into wars that aren't necessary has killed more than wikileaks ever will.
If any of these Anonymous people come up, do what they did in the G20 in Toronto. Tear gas anyone?
Ah yes, let's step down to the level of Iran and Egypt.
I don't mind not knowing since I wouldn't know what I'm missing out and I wouldn't mind knowing since.
Knowledge is power, other than that I'm not sure how to reply.
He can be charged, convicted, and sentenced for receiving stolen property that he had no idea was stolen. It has been done before, and it will be done again.
He wont be, he has way to much support from the international community.
Actually, reasonable suspicion is all you need.
The American courts operate under the principal that an individual is innocent until proven guilty within a shadow of a doubt, you need more than reasonable suspicion.
Reasonable suspicion is used to briefly detain a person if the police has reasonable suspicion that the person has been, is, or is about to be engaged in criminal activity.
The precedent is Terry v. Ohio
The police can arrest you if they have reasonable grounds for suspecting you have committed or attempted to commit any offence.
The American courts operate under the principal that an individual is innocent until proven guilty within a shadow of a doubt, you need more than reasonable suspicion.
In school, a faculty member can search your locker, your bag, or anything based on reasonable suspicion. If I sell alcohol to a minor, and he has a fake ID and looks and tells me that he is over 21, I can be convicted because I have strict liability. If I receive a car that is worth at least $200,000 and I have no idea where that car came from, I can be convicted.
You are charged with a crime, and innocent until proven guilty.
He wont be, he has way to much support from the international community.
Which countries has he helped and how has he helped them? Be specific.
Which countries has he helped and how has he helped them? Be specific.
Helped? No, he's simply made information free again. The countries that support him do so because they support free knowledge.
In school, a faculty member can search your locker, your bag, or anything based on reasonable suspicion.
There's a difference between school justice and the US justice system.
You are charged with a crime, and innocent until proven guilty.
You aren't charged until you're convicted by a jury of your peers.
You aren't charged until you're convicted by a jury of your peers.
Technicaly, the charges are brought against you when you are taken to court.
Technicaly, the charges are brought against you when you are taken to court.
Yes but you aren't officially charged, in a murder case you aren't a murderer until a guilty verdict is read. Before that you are only the main suspect.
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