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Kevin4762
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I've stated my opinions on Socialism before in other threads, but it wasn't the appropriate place to put the. I have debated with several of you on my ideas, but I crave a more in depth debate.

I think the government should provide services that humans are entitled to. The rest are luxuries, and those luxuries should be provided to companies. These are thing an individual person should have.

The government should provide healthcare, education (this includes money for universities), water, electricity, waste management, parks, and roads.

There should be a 40% tax on anyone who make $25 000 or more annually. That means, if you make $25 000, you don't pay taxes. If you make $26 000 annually, you have to pay 40% tax.

Here is a scenario. The average man makes around $50 000, no? If you make $50 000, then you get to keep $30 000.

With those $30 000, you only have to pay for your mortgage, car, food, and family.

The rule of thumb for paying a house, is five times your annual salary, or five years worth of income. A person who makes $50 000, should buy a house that is around $200 000. If you take out a mortgage for twenty years, you have to pay $10 000 a year. Right there, you only have $20 000 to spend.

Now, an average car that costs $12 000 lasts about six years. If gas costs $50 a month, then in one year, you spend $600 in one year. Right there, you have spent $22 600 and have $ 7 400 to spend.

Food for one month costs around $300 a month. In one year, that is $3 600. So now you have spent $26 200.

Television, phone, internet costs around $100 a month, so in one year, you spend $1 200 on that. Now, you have spent $27 400. The rest, $2 300, can go to your savings.

In your second year, since you already have a car, you have $12 000 extra. Furniture in total costs around $10 000. So, you have spent $25 400 on basic things. The rest of that, $4 600, can go to your savings.

So now you have a car, furniture and beds, a home, television, phone, internet, food, and gas in two years, without going over your budget.

In your third year, since you have another $12 000 to spare, since you already bought your car and furniture. Now, you if you always put $5 000 for every year, on savings, you have $7 000 to spend on whatever else you want. I think that's a pretty good deal. You can collect shoes, buy toys and games for your children, and actually live your life.

Now, for Libertarians, they would do other things. Everything would be privatized.

If the average person makes $50 000, they get to almost all of it. Let's see how that works out.

So, education costs around $9 000 a year. Healthcare costs $10 000 a year. Utilities, such as water, lighting, electricity, etc. costs around $9 000. Water costs $250 a month, so annually, $3 000. Electricity costs monthly, $350 a month, so annually $4 200. Gas costs $600 you have. Internet, phone, and television costs $1 200.

So all that costs, $28 000. That's more than what you would spend in taxes. Taxes only cost $20 000.

Even if you have no children, or conserve your money wisely, you only have, at most, $5 000 extra. Now, wouldn't you miss parks, roads, public transportation, and other things?

Let the trolls begin!

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NoNameC68
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I fail to see why you're against entitlements.


You are forced to pay for them whether you use them or not.
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However, I'm only throwing words like "right to healthcare" around as an example. I find it funny how you're saying I'm using rights in such a grand rhetoric way when...


I think in a very arguable way the right to life which exists in your constitution is tied closely with the right to universal healthcare.
Kevin4762
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You are forced to pay for them whether you use them or not.


Why would you not use healthcare?

Have you ever been sick? Needed to go to the dentist? Had surgery? Been born?

All of those things will be covered by universal healthcare.
NoNameC68
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Why would you not use healthcare?

Have you ever been sick? Needed to go to the dentist? Had surgery? Been born?

All of those things will be covered by universal healthcare.


In America, nobody complains because there is a lack of health care or that it is inefficient. Everyone complains because it is so expensive. Telling me we should use Universal Health Care because I'm going to need health care does not hit the issue where it needs to be hit.

Universal Health Care is incredibly expensive. It costs people money that is taken out of their taxes. There are no options. You can't choose which insurance plan you want or whether you want to pay up front in cash or pay a little bit at a time.

I don't care what universal health care covers, private care covers the same thing. The problem is that it's expensive. Private care would cheaper and more affordable, even for the poor, if the government didn't create so many problems. I provided a link where someone explains how you can fix health care without spending any more tax dollars.
Kevin4762
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In America, nobody complains because there is a lack of health care or that it is inefficient. Everyone complains because it is so expensive. Telling me we should use Universal Health Care because I'm going to need health care does not hit the issue where it needs to be hit.


What? Where did you draw this conclusion from?

Universal Health Care is incredibly expensive. It costs people money that is taken out of their taxes. There are no options. You can't choose which insurance plan you want or whether you want to pay up front in cash or pay a little bit at a time.


It costs people money already. Healthcare either way is expensive.
I don't care what universal health care covers, private care covers the same thing. The problem is that it's expensive. Private care would cheaper and more affordable, even for the poor, if the government didn't create so many problems. I provided a link where someone explains how you can fix health care without spending any more tax dollars.


Private healthcare means that it marks the price of healthcare up so that it can make a profit.
NoNameC68
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What? Where did you draw this conclusion from?


People don't complain that health care isn't available. I drew this conclusion from the fact that people don't complain that health care isn't available.

Private healthcare means that it marks the price of healthcare up so that it can make a profit.


Watch the video I linked on how to fix health care.
Kevin4762
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You said that people complain that healthcare is expensive. Now you're claiming that I'm complaining about it isn't available.

Am I not being clear enough for you?

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