I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done. I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please
Hitler and Stalin could be considered evil-that is, they killed a finite amount of people. By condemning a single person to hell, God commits more evil than every single person combined, throughout history. After counting up the millions of deaths that dictators such as Hitler have caused, that number is still a finite number, whereas the tortures of hell for any single person are completely endless (infinite). Jesus�s sacrifice was completely absurd. God killed himself on the cross to save his creation from his own wrath? Sounds pretty ridiculous to me.
hooray, I have an LDS view that allows me to clarify.
after jesus was resurrected, god set it so we would get resurrected as well, but once we are resurrected, we may not like where we end up. in the view of the latter day saints, there are three kingdoms that people can end up depending on how they lived their life. the better a person you were, the better the kingdom you lived in and the closer to god you got to be. he set it this way because those who lived a wicked life couldn't bear to be close to god's prescence because it would actually hurt them. the only real hell is the outer darkness, which is only reserved for people who see god, and still deny him (in other words, very few people get this reservation).
he built it so he could be as merciful as possible, while still exacting the justice upon you.
Okay Llamasushi. I dont think you got your facts right. hitler was not christian he persucuted christian and jews. He made the church preach about something not having to do with God. Many preists and preachers stood up to him but he made threats wich made many of them obey out of fear. Only two stayed and they were killed. God did not give law that people who break his laws should be stoned to death. the jews came up with that law. So basicaly you are looking at every thing the wrong way.
The other commandments are obviously good ones, but they are not original (the same values dictated by Buddhism, which preceded Christianity by about 500 years.)
Even more so some of these last few are practically required for a stable society to exist.
By condemning a single person to hell, God commits more evil than every single person combined, throughout history.
which is only reserved for people who see god, and still deny him (in other words, very few people get this reservation).
Considering he doesn't show himself I would guess no one has gone there in some time. Though this still seems pretty screwed up as God is then punishing a person for disagreeing with him.
hitler was not christian he persucuted christian and jews.
He was raised Catholic, but yes, he wasn't really Christian.
Ever hear the term no true Scotsman? That would be essentially the case here.
Considering he doesn't show himself I would guess no one has gone there in some time. Though this still seems pretty screwed up as God is then punishing a person for disagreeing with him.
In atheist terms, if you see god and he tells you he is god, creator of all, ruler of the universe, etc., and you still don't believe he exists, then you are pretty much going to outer darkness. not much you can do about that, unless you suddenly believe in him before you die. not that deathbed "I repent" stuff, I mean really believing and not trying to get out of trouble at the absolute last second.
God's death count based on specific numbers given in the Bible. 2,476,636 This isn't all of them either, there are a number of deaths that do give exact figures in the Bible as well. if we estimate these death we get a figure around this many. 24,634,205
So God killed his people because they were bad. We have to exacute a lot of people in america because they were bad. Althoug most got less than they deserved because some who murder just go to jail for only ten years. it seems that G od has better judgment than we do.
So God killed his people because they were bad. We have to exacute a lot of people in america because they were bad. Althoug most got less than they deserved because some who murder just go to jail for only ten years. it seems that G od has better judgment than we do.
There are a number of people who don't agree with the death penalty and not all of the people were killed because they were bad, there were a good number of innocent people in there. There is also the level of crime in which people were killed which would not deserve such a penalty.
Cmon guys last time I checked this topic was named Christianity FTW not lets debate about Christianity and kill ourselves trying to argue whether its true or not, geeze can't you guys just get along without fighting >
God's death count based on specific numbers given in the Bible. 2,476,636 This isn't all of them either, there are a number of deaths that do give exact figures in the Bible as well. if we estimate these death we get a figure around this many. 24,634,205 http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html
There are a number of people who don't agree with the death penalty and not all of the people were killed because they were bad, there were a good number of innocent people in there. There is also the level of crime in which people were killed which would not deserve such a penalty.
Same old "death" aspect? You were already told that fleshly death is inevitable, and you are not to judge whether God is right when someone gets killed by anything. This argument is void, drop this already.
Cmon guys last time I checked this topic was named Christianity FTW not lets debate about Christianity and kill ourselves trying to argue whether its true or not, geeze can't you guys just get along without fighting >
Well, argument is not equal to fighting, and a healthy argument does good to everyone.
