I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done. I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please
And I'm not yet talking about masturbation, which is basically a sexual act without any partner, since the one that does this is alone. This is called sodomy, and is harming your soul harder than you can see.
Then why give it so many beneficial and pleasurable effects giving many good reasons to do if it's so detrimental? If God didn't want us doing this then just make it something we wouldn't want to do.
The other reason is well-being of the two married, having a roughly equal value in family building, but a couple needs both to have a proper marriage.
So your saying a homosexual couple can't have a stable relationship? It's a shame you can't view YuouTube videos because if you could I could show you a homosexual couple raising two children providing them with a very stable and loving environment.
but as single-parent families have difficulties in rising children because of no ideal of either a father or a mother, the homosexual couples will also meet the same difficulties.
So your saying single parents shouldn't be parents?
You declare God as immoral implicitly. I'd say God defines moral, so He is not immoral by definition. This is also a partial answer to your next post.
Yet many of the things you claim he defines as moral we do not consider to be moral. many of the things this God defined as immoral are things this God has done himself.
Reproduction can exist in a form of adoption, indeed, but as single-parent families have difficulties in rising children because of no ideal of either a father or a mother, the homosexual couples will also meet the same difficulties.
Interesting. So because both partners in homosexual relationships are the same sex you think they cannot be effective parents? Wow. This is the type of blatant (and to many, socially acceptable) stupidity and bigotry that makes me hate religion. Here's some scholarly information that disproves your bigotry.
I would like to give you example verses from the Bible, but you apriori invalidated any argument coming from there.
Until the Bible can be demonstrated to be true then quoting in it is not going to be allowed. One cannot cite fiction in support of facts. It doesn't work that way. Now, you find some scholarly articles which demonstrate your point and we'll have something to talk about.
If there's something that contradicts God's commandment, it's a bruise on your soul, you just don't feel such bruises as you do with the body. But if you would leave a bruise open, as we don't know how to heal souls, it can get infected and your soul could burn, and if you die in this condition, this is Hell.
Ok, so christians don't say "Don't do this or else", but they say "Hey look, if you do this you will get hurt". In the same time, they get mad at you when you do it nonetheless, although it is not their role to get mad at sinners. Their role is to guide, not to judge. Judging is god's field, if I understood it correctly. Why, in hell's name why, do christians still try to judge every single person they can? Oh, and that "getting hurt" is something I'm not satisfied with either. After all, it's god who hurts your soul when you go against his commandements. He hurts your soul and the only way to heal that is repenting for doing what he doesn't want us to do. In other words he makes everyone dependent of him, instead of letting us our free will.
You misunderstood my post. I'm not saying God is immoral. I am saying He cannot determine morality without things being good or bad already.
But he creates those things thus can determine morality since he made them that way. Also if he is omnipotent then he should be able to determine morality anyway since if he cannot he isn't omnipotent thus not a god.
Wait... what? Pride is the satisfaction of what you done. Too much is like overconfidence, sure, yeah, we know that's bad but self-pride being a flaw is a terrible thing to believe.
Yes, WE cannot deny binary logic, it's God who can.
No, he isn't here to speak for himself, now is he? If he was then give us a clear cut without-a-doubt answer.
You speak for yourself, in your Bible God gave you free will and right here you do not even use it. You are given it for a reason - albeit a dumb one. You cannot just say that God is the judge of "how the game is played" and therefore arguments are invalid because he says so. That's like your mother telling you to go to bed at 2:00PM because she said so. You wouldn't do it, even though she dictates w/e goes on because it's her house. SAME THING HERE.
You misunderstood my post. I'm not saying God is immoral. I am saying He cannot determine morality without things being good or bad already.
1. He's all knowing. 2. Good and bad things already exist, delete them and move from there.
This is called sodomy, and is harming your soul harder than you can see.
It gives people 30% less chance of getting prostate cancer. It also, like many physical practices helps release stress and what you just said is like the medieval "SHE'S A WITCH!" You find the idea of a witch (or in this case, masturbation) disgusting as does society and therefore make otherwise reasonable arguments against it.
The other reason is well-being of the two married, having a roughly equal value in family building, but a couple needs both to have a proper marriage.
Explain why.
but as single-parent families have difficulties in rising children because of no ideal of either a father or a mother, the homosexual couples will also meet the same difficulties.
BS. If you have less, you can learn more. And that happens in many cases. Psychological, logical and moral decisions hit harder on the people with less. "It's not fair" is a statement someone who doesn't get what they want says. The smart few who get this treatment will make sure they don't do the same themselves.
Like me. I make sure everything I do is with reason, and a good one at that.
many of the things this God defined as immoral are things this God has done himself.
Is hypocricy in his long list of things not to do, by the way? God doesn't dictate it in any way. By looking at a situation it can often be point-black obvious what you should do. God can often say otherwise.
Now, you find some scholarly articles which demonstrate your point and we'll have something to talk about.
I'd like to take a deep look at it to decide whether even they are viable. Being as it a religious argument, I find it unlikely.
Also if he is omnipotent then he should be able to determine morality anyway since if he cannot he isn't omnipotent thus not a god.
It would go against the qualities associated to the Christian God, but omnipotence isn't a quality required to be a god.
Wait... what? Pride is the satisfaction of what you done. Too much is like overconfidence, sure, yeah, we know that's bad but self-pride being a flaw is a terrible thing to believe.
Pride is considered one of the seven deadly sins.
You speak for yourself, in your Bible God gave you free will and right here you do not even use it.
This raises a question for me. Where in the Bible does God give or even promote free will? I can find passages where God circumvents free will.
He is good or evil based on his actions, just like people are.
No. He is good or evil based on his intentions, just like people are.
As for the trolley thing, I call fallacy of the false dichotomy. It assumes some magical world where I am physically incapable of doing anything but pulling a lever. You'll have to excuse me if my morals don't work in bizarro world.
As for the trolley thing, I call fallacy of the false dichotomy. It assumes some magical world where I am physically incapable of doing anything but pulling a lever.
No - it's not false dichotomy.
It accurately creates a situation where you really DO only have two choices. You can pull the lever or you can not pull the lever. Which is the moral choice?
I would pull the lever. Because killing 1 person is wrong. killing 5 can only be worse. besides by pulling the lever i kill 1 but save 5 lives in the process. however the situation doesn't seem realistic to me. i would assume in real life i would be able to somehow stop the train, even if it meant sacrificing my body. if so this would be my choice.
I would pull the lever. Because killing 1 person is wrong. killing 5 can only be worse. besides by pulling the lever i kill 1 but save 5 lives in the process. however the situation doesn't seem realistic to me. i would assume in real life i would be able to somehow stop the train, even if it meant sacrificing my body. if so this would be my choice.
Because throwing a 100-300 pound object at a 10 ton object will have that effect...
But really, your kind of getting off topic.
No. He is good or evil based on his intentions, just like people are.
I always thought actions caused people to be good or evil. Hitler, the classic example of an "evil" man, probably genuinely believed that he was helping his country by killing all the people he killed. If he didn't, then he thought that they made a nice scapegoat which he would use to benefit his country. So would you consider him evil?
Regardless of what he believed he did intend murder, and followed through with murders of millions. So yes he is evil.
But if you intended to help your country through a publics work project (just giving an example) and your intent was to provide jobs, and through some accident hundreds die, does that make you evil?
