I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done. I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please
Blatant ignorance never leads to anything. This discussion ends in a stalemate.
I have a problem with this, atheists are basing their proof on facts and knowledge while you are basing your proof on an ancient book made in a pretty well... for lack of a better statement, severely un educated time. Who are the ignorant ones here?
In your case anything is real if you say it is, you don't even need the proof, what kind of world/reality are you living in?
Einfach, for me to "be gay" is to be involved in same-sex sexual actions and not ditching them afterwards. There are still people who try this as an experiment, then stop this kind of activities for some reason, such people can't be named gay. I seem to have worded it wrong up there, "they can commit themselves to homosexual actions only by choice".
Homosexuality is not a choice. And the most obvious and visible proof of this is those who are outspoken against it. No person would choose ridicule and hatred from a very outspoken group.
Also, if you think homosexuality is a choice then heterosexuality is a choice. And I don't know about you but I never choose to be attracted to women, yet I am.
You may have it unresolved as well. When I see a post full of "BS" statements, I classify it as ignorance. I'm speaking of God thus indeed referring to the Bible, and since the context is not shared, this means I am being ignored. Also I did state back there that God does not need to comply with binary logic, this in turn means that science, which is based on binary logic, cannot determine either God existing or God nonexisting. This statement hasn't been objected so far.
Ok... well what do you have to say to this. There is proof dismissing a god and any sort of deity. and there is no proof that god exists.
Evolution and countless scientific observations dismiss god I'm sure you have heard them plenty on the forums and I wont go into detail.
Nothing has ever happened that has ever proved a deity. Prayers are NEVER answered, I don't see Satan tricking anyone in any animal forms EVER nor do i EVER hear about it. God was all sorts of active back in the day but all of a sudden he dissapears? What is the evidence that proves a deity exists? There is none
Whether God exists or not, the universe still exists - we still have perception, etc.
Suppose a hypothetical p such that p is either true or false.
Define ~p such that if p is true, then ~p is false and vice versa.
Define p --> q such that (insert truth table)
This leads us to some axioms that are tautological (list axioms) From these axioms, we can deduce (list a bunch of theorems) Define more stuff <->, ^, v, etc. (list definitions)
All this stuff that has been listed is necessarily true or false - and it applies to all things, including God. I don't see how God can possibly be "above" logic at all.
And I know you say god does not comply with binary logic, but this is not really evidence since I have no reason to believe of his existence in any way.
I don't see how God can possibly be "above" logic at all.
Thats because he can't. The argument that God is above logic only exists because some people understand neither logic or God, then claim God must be above logic.
Also, if you think homosexuality is a choice then heterosexuality is a choice.
We're probably misaligned in what either of "homosexuality" and "heterosexuality" mean. Please define these. Are these intentions, inclinations or actions?
There is proof dismissing a god
WHERE?! Science does not dismiss God, and any time I ask anyone for such a proof that one dodges the direct answer with "burden of proof". So I have never received anything that can be even close to proof of God nonexisting.
Evolution and countless scientific observations dismiss god
No they don't. Them being natural does not contradict with the statement "God exists".
Nothing has ever happened that has ever proved a deity. Prayers are NEVER answered
LOL. Especially about prayer. Atheists just dismiss personal evidence of people who claim their prayers have been answered, and then you form such a statement.
No they don't. Them being natural does not contradict with the statement "God exists".
If I'm correct and I may be wrong... the bible was interpreted from a man spoken to by god? God claims the earth is 6k years old when it's not... amongst other things. He claims to have created man when we have evidence (evolution) that says other wise.
And you have to exscuse me if I dismiss all the silly claims that prayers are answered. Why not believe in ghosts and pink unicorns when someone says they saw them? Or lepruchauns for that matter. Is this even getting through to you at all? it's so freaking childish I just want to rip my hair out when you say things like this.
I mean I understand why you believe in god but I don't understand why you cant dismiss it for the slightest second.
I was religious because I was born into it. When I grew up and put my big boy pants on I accepted my fate/reality as it was and turned away from it. In fact I have been much happier and open minded to new ideas (homosexuality amongst other things) and accepted them instead of claiming "evil"
I know I have not given you sufficent evidence disproving god but come on guy... seriously... can you think logically for just a second and see the logic in my statements? Try REALLY REALLY hard. You believe in ghosts. How am I supposed to respect that? I think it's safe to say you can disprove something if you cant prove it ever existing. Like unicorns and and flying spaghetti monsters. Just think logically for a second!
I think it's safe to say you can disprove something if you cant prove it ever existing.
I have to disagree with this sentence. If you can't prove or disprove something - you're just playing a probability game.
If you can't prove that I think, that doesn't mean that I don't think. I don't think that you can really prove that I can think (but if you did I would be quite impressed).
