I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done. I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please
If you have faith is God you can. But you have no concept of religious faith so therefore you are incapable of comprehending this.
How close-minded of you - "Science currently doesn't have an explanation for this, therefore it must be God, goddidit goddidit goddidit" is basically what you're saying there. I'm well aware of the concept of religious faith - I merely do not possess such a useless thing.
If you have faith is God you can. But you have no concept of religious faith so therefore you are incapable of comprehending this.
Faith is for those who cannot think, honestly. I certainly CAN comprehend what you are saying, I just think it's total bull****. There's so many myths and stories and fairy tales out there, and you only believe this one because it's old, lots of people believe it, and you were raised to believe it. I could claim w/e ridiculous thing I wanted and make it all inclusive, and you couldn't disprove it. No evidence =/= true, yet another religious fallacy.
A true athiest dosen't go slamming believers, and trying to prove them wrong.
There is clear evidence within this thread (look at page 40) that logic contradicts God's existence. So assuming that logic applies to God (as it automatically applies to all things that are either X or not X), then not-Christianity. So please don't tell me what a "true atheist" is.
Science can only further the understanding of the greatness of God.
Don't miracles contradict science?
Why can't God have used the Big bang? THERE IS NO REASON WHY NOT.
Occam's razor - You can't just adapt your view to reality. You have to go with what is most logical and most likely, given the information. This is no evidence, and the "there is no reason why not" is really a useless statement in this regard.
Same with evolution.
You misunderstand evolution. Evolution isn't the move towards the more complex. Evolution doesn't describe the movement nor describe how animal species differentiate - it provides the mechanism for which this occurs.
Its not a competition between religion and science, you CAN have both.
You're right, but science seems to explain things about the universe which make believing in God to make these things happen redundant.
It is impossible to prove or disprove the existence of God.
Umm...yeah it is...assuming determinism precludes God, evolution precludes God, etc. YEAH you can! 1. ~(p ^ ~p) - Law of Non-contradiction. 2. (p --> q) --> (~q --> ~p) - Reductio Ad Absurdum. By denying the consequent, you disprove the antecedent. 3. ~D --> (p ^ ~p) - Not-Determinism (~D) implies a contradiction. 4. (~D --> (p ^ ~p)) --> (~(p ^ ~p) --> ~~D) - Use of Reductio Ad Absurdum (2) in this particular instance. 5. (~(p ^ ~p) --> ~~D) - Modus Ponens (3,4). 6. ~~D - Modus Ponens (2,5). 7. ~~D --> D - Not-Not something implies something. 8. Therefore, D - Determinism is inevitable!!!
If an object cannot move without being moved, how did the universe start moving.
All I'm saying is that god is what made the universe start moving. You could call the big bang God, as it started all life.
I can understand that those who never beieved in God to begin with cant put him alongside science. All I'm asking is that you allow Christians to believe what they think, and stop calling them all science deniers, because we aren't.
I never defined evolution so you cannot determine how I interpret it.
You could call the big bang God, as it started all life.
The Big Bang has no consciousness - unlike the God we all envision.
It does not think - it is not conscious - it is powerless - it is not to be worshipped - it can be questioned. Clearly those who believe the Big Bang occurred don't view it as a God.
All I'm asking is that you allow Christians to believe what they think, and stop calling them all science deniers,
Deal. Let homosexuals marry, stop harrying people for having abortions, get out of the way of stem cell research, stop letting priests molest children and don't incite hatred against other religious groups and i'm sure everyone here would be happy to let you live in happy fun time land.
You could call the big bang God
Or you could actually learn what the theory is.
I can understand that those who never beieved in God to begin with cant put him alongside science.
No, you can't put him alongside science because that's like a two year old trying to shove the square into the triangle hole.
I never defined evolution so you cannot determine how I interpret it.
Again, I don't care how you interpret it, you either do it right or wrong, and you obviously did it wrong.
not all christians belive that the following shouldn't be allowed
Let homosexuals marry, stop harrying people for having abortions, get out of the way of stem cell research, stop letting priests molest children and don't incite hatred against other religious groups.
So you can't say all christians shouldn't be allowed to belive because not all christians are the way you described.
So you can't say all christians shouldn't be allowed to belive because not all christians are the way you described.
No, what i'm saying is you're asking for a double standard. YOU want others to leave you alone, but yet want the freedom to harass others. Hyopcrites do not register highly on my list.
Kasic, i'm christian and i don't try to get people to join if they don't want to. in fact i don't even offer up the idea. by the time people are grown they've probably heard of it and can decide for themselves whether or not they belive it or not.
Kasic, i'm christian and i don't try to get people to join if they don't want to. in fact i don't even offer up the idea. by the time people are grown they've probably heard of it and can decide for themselves whether or not they belive it or not.
Do you believe that abortion should be illegal and why?
Kasic, i'm christian and i don't try to get people to join if they don't want to. in fact i don't even offer up the idea. by the time people are grown they've probably heard of it and can decide for themselves whether or not they belive it or not.
And i'm fine with that. But as Einfach said, what about abortion? What about gay rights? What about stem cell research? What about all that other stuff? I'd be perfectly fine if you and your religion didn't agree with it, and your members decided to not support/use it, that's your choice. But when you publicly go out and protest it, stand in the way of it, then you are being a hypocrite, saying that you want freedom to do what you believe, and then violating that same right of others. There IS no valid reason not to do any of what I mentioned above aside from religious protest.
Well those are specific people. They are the extremeists. if the entire religon made everyone do so we would have 1/3 the population protesting. And yes, i also agree that the extremists are hypocrits.
There IS no valid reason not to do any of what I mentioned above aside from religious protest.
BUT, adding on to the point, as Christians, you believe that morality originates from God, no?? Therefore, you believe that no virtues exist without God... Therefore, you believe that all virtues are moral BECAUSE of God... Therefore, you believe that ___ is immoral because of God... Therefore, assuming that things that are immoral should be illegal, then you are obliged to believe that ___ should be illegal because of God. And if you disagree with the above statement, then how can you believe that ____ should still be legal while murder should be illegal? What differentiates the two? Because based on your beliefs, murder is ONLY wrong because God said so.
as Christians, you believe that morality originates from God, no??
Well, we belive that we should follow the ten commandments. that's the summary of our morals. In the ten commandments it doesn't say anything about gay marriage, so why should we not find it okay. and i understand so christians don't find it okay because they take the bibles stories compleatly litteraly and think they're all 100% percent accurate. I'm sorry for them because they shouldn't.
