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LiLRick
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6 United Nations officers were killed in a protest in Afghanistan. Protesters tore down statues and rioted resulting in the deaths of six innocent men and women.

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314d1
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The man was trying to get Islam to react violently, basically a **** starter. He's a troll, basically.

Charge him.


Sure. But last I checked, burning a piece of your own property legally was not illegal, no matter what it believes. He didn't do anything against the law, so you can't charge him. The &quotrotesters", as I have heard them called, on the other hand, should of course be arrested and tried with murder.
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Sure. But last I checked, burning a piece of your own property legally was not illegal, no matter what it believes. He didn't do anything against the law, so you can't charge him. The &quotrotesters", as I have heard them called, on the other hand, should of course be arrested and tried with murder.


He should be tried for disturbing the peace and involuntary manslaughter six counts. Burning his own property is not illegal, but burning it to piss off one very violent crowd is.
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He is protected by the first amendment.


He might as well have just screamed "Fire!" in a theater.
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He is protected by the first amendment.

yes when he burned the Qur'an

but i don't think islamic extremist give two sh*ts about the amendment

Very true. While I do not condone the intentional display of intolerance through burning the Qur'an, it's just a book. Seriously. Get over it

you obviously don't understand the religious significance because the united states has truly built intolerance through "tolerance" but these people were surrounded by a faith and it is their way of life

I am merely pointing out that groups say how dare the west call it a violent religion, only to turn around and pull this ****?

um religion itself is peace through war...

The Holocaust was about racism,

ahem. no. was about ethnicity hence was genocide/ethnocide

Crimson, religion was why roughly twenty middle eastern guys hijacked 4 planes and killed over 2000 people.

and maybe you didnt read/listen to the news but islamic leaders did not condone this these people acted by themselves and just waved the flag of islam

Threats of violence to restrict speech is not the answer.

yay someone isnt completely dumb!

Sure. But last I checked, burning a piece of your own property legally was not illegal, no matter what it believes. He didn't do anything against the law, so you can't charge him. The &quotrotesters", as I have heard them called, on the other hand, should of course be arrested and tried with murder.

he didnt do anything illegal: correct
so you can't charge him: false

if you start sh*t this big and people's lives are involved yea you can obviously charge him not for breaking law but inciting riot

TLR
pastor terry is wrong
burning the Qur'an is a declaration of war on islam, and by extension most islamic countries
most people think US is retarded anyway
kids need to read more and get facts straight
DDX
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So it pisses off extremists, so what? This is AMERICA. By cowing to them under threats of terror, we are bowing to terrorists.

yea but theyre not in america. derp i dont think they care about american laws or how they feel. you piss someone off internationally. theres going to be consequences

You need to bone up on your legal understanding and understand that just because speech is offensive/inflammatory does not mean it must be silenced.

this has nothing to do with legality anymore dont you understand. war isnt bound by rules. tell me to bone up on my legal understanding? good joke. it's not regarding legality anymore. However, you would be correct if the jurisdiction of the US extended to Kandahar. but it doesnt. seems like you just need to bone up on common sense

So it pisses off extremists, so what? This is AMERICA. By cowing to them under threats of terror, we are bowing to terrorists.

thank god, you are not running this country. and probably 20 years (35 y/o youngest age req for presidency)

Inciting a riot means telling people to go out and loot/pillage.

and burning a holy item. examples in africa when america was in it's imperial state, the indigenous people burned down a church and america went in and slaughtered and enslaved everyone

DDX, Heckler's votes do not count in regards to free speech. Take the anti-war protests of the 60s, they angered the military and more conservative factions of america, yet the hippes had the right to protest.

thought you were talking about the pastor, w/e

TL; DR

you, as in E1337, need to bone up on: comprehension (as in understand what saying), Knowing the world isnt just one counry composed of the US, common sense, and stop using caps to emphasize america because it's because of your egocentric views that surprisingly many other people possess that completely screws over america.
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You sir, need to grow a spine.

I already possess a spine, as it is where instinctive actions are derived from, though from your base vocabulary in attempts to jab at my virtues on courage, i assume you are trying to say that i am a coward.

false, a coward is someone who possesses an excess of fear, where i have none, I merely recognize that a total war with the middle east on their home turf when they use guerrilla warfare etc is the dumbest idea in the whole world. WHY haven't we found bin ladin yet? cause he has over 9000 mountain holes to hide in. theres a difference in "cowardice" and stupidity. and if you werent there in english 101 yet words in quotes denote sarcasm so you don't have to look super cool typing out /sarcasm.

My point is, by bowing to others we deny our principles. The terrorists do win if we censor ourselves out of fear

yea i got your point, egocentric stereotypical american xenophobic thinking, I guess it doesnt matter if the rest of the world hates you if the small group of people around you think the same. i can see that you fail to differentiate bowing to principles and respect. again i reiterate THANK GOD you are not running the country. inter-country relationships are important, something you will learn in high school or perhaps college.


That is what draw muhammad day was all about. Did it piss off extremists? Yes. Did it stop us?

yea so, did you actually draw Muhammad? no. I DID mohammed what did you do? nothing

I will not let some savage primitive dictacte what I can say.

you will when they start killing american citizens.

so i ask you, to grow a brain; you can think for a bit, about what you type.
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I did draw muhammad, and once you quit patting yourself on the back, you might realize my point. What good is it to have the right to speak if you can not out of fear of offending someone?

uh.. do you know what libel/slander is? thats one example where your free speech is revoked. Also i never said free speech is wrong, by all means great thing. yet I cant call you retarded stupid, and a backassward hick, because i would probably get a ban from this forum. So your free speech postulate doesnt exist. sure it exists in an idealist world. but the world isnt just the US.

You assume I back the war, I do not. The war was pointless and more about Bush showing up Saddam then any real threat.

>The terrorists do win if we censor ourselves out of fear. derp. that was the point of war. Not censoring ourselves out of fear and being stupid.

furthermore, the fact that a bunch of people rose up and killed 6 people because someone burned their holy book is not a group of people deserving respect.

i for one am well traveled and 5 years ago went to mecca with a friend for his pilgrimage only then had i glimpse of how important that book and their religion was to them. It is like their destruction of the world trade center. a symbol of american capitalism

I am glad you are not running this country, for we would be the doormat for the world. There is a difference between being friendly and being a pushover.

there is a difference with being ignorant and ignorant. oh wait there isnt

Grow a pair. Everyone dies, I intend to deserve mine.

you intend to deserve your balls? ok. cool story bro
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Quit the apologetics, the truth is, a bunch of zealots decided 6 people should lose their lives because one jagoff thousands of miles away decided to burn one book.

yea and anyone smart enough would know that they would react this way.

for example when a soldier shot the qu'ran the people of the area stormed the us base. Im not being apologetic, im saying free speech will get people killed, i.e. burning qu'ran which you say is free speech and which i agree, and i also say it's stupid because people ended up dead as a direct result.

however, I can go out to the street and call you paltroon who lacks courage stand up for everyone's rights, not just the one's you agree with.


Yes, because burning one book is worth the lives of 6 men. As for the world trade center, that occured because those same religious folks decided, since we don't live by Allah's laws, they have the right to fly two planes into a place of buisness.


i never said it was right. like i said go out and practice your free speech and see what happens, why dont you burn a qu'ran and put it on the internet, youd get murdered in your sleep.
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So that means next I see people burning a flag in the middle east I have the right to firebomb a mosque? I mean, they should have known it was going to happen!

if you didnt notice we've been firebombing them and razing everything in their territory since you were still pissing the bed. dont you know how many mosques in the US have been attacked? no because you're heavily bias. and unable to see whats really going on.
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The man was trying to get Islam to react violently, basically a **** starter. He's a troll, basically.

Charge him.


No, he was trying to tell them "I'm not afraid of your threats and I'm tired of you BS."

Even if he was trolling, he didn't tell them to kill innocent people.

If what you say is true, I am also guilty because I posted pictures of Muhammad.

He should be tried for disturbing the peace and involuntary manslaughter six counts. Burning his own property is not illegal, but burning it to piss off one very violent crowd is.


No, burning your own property to piss people off is NOT illegal. In fact, that's why freedom of speech is great, because we can say things that piss people off.

Don't charge HIM with man slaughter. Charge the people who actually held the guns with man slaughter!

I can tell you that if you call me stupid, I will **** a puppy up the ***, then drown it to death. If you call me stupid, should we both be charged with puppy **** and murder?

I heard someone make this comparison. Let's pretend that the Tea Party was filled with violent people who waved guns around threatening people. Let's say a man threatened to burn a copy of the US Constitution. If the Tea Party threatened to kill innocent people, would you restrict the man's right to burn a copy of the constitution? If he did burn a copy, would you charge him with murder if the Tea Party went on a killing spree as a result?

He might as well have just screamed "Fire!" in a theater.


Like I haven't heard this one before.

The difference between yelling "Fire!" in a theater is that you're actually lying to the people. Not only that, but you're informing everyone that there is a fire so that they can rush to the exit.

The pastor burning the Koran is not him yelling "Fire!" It's him saying "I don't like you."

The whole "Fire!" in a theater is a crap comparison. Let's pick something different.

If the pastor said "I'm going to burn the Koran, now go kill people," there would be an issue because he actually told Muslims they should kill people. He didn't tell them to kill people.

You can disagree with the way he handled the situation, but you can't charge him for murder when he burned the Koran to show Muslims that we aren't afraid.

Making it illegal to burn the Koran is NO DIFFERENT than making it illegal to draw Muhammad. It is NO DIFFERENT than making it illegal to criticize Islam. Do you think we should make it illegal to criticize Islam?

"If it's going to cause them to murder people, then yes!"

So it's okay to restrict people's freedom to express discontent because we allow people to use violence to control.

but i don't think islamic extremist give two sh*ts about the amendment


We aren't Islamic, so we shouldn't be forced to follow their rules.

yea but theyre not in america. derp i dont think they care about american laws or how they feel. you piss someone off internationally. theres going to be consequences


The pastor is in America and us Americans shouldn't be forced to abide by a different nation's laws. You might as well make it "Legal to protest American actions, but illegal to protest the actions of foreign actions."

http://i52.tinypic.com/2eb8fp5.png

If someone is murdered because I posted this image, should I be held responsible?

Like I said, if you make it illegal to burn the Koran, you must also make it illegal to draw Muhammad or question Islam in general.
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I don't mind if we start painting horrible puppy images, but let's try to hold off on the insults and offensive language towards each other here.

DDX
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The pastor is in America and us Americans shouldn't be forced to abide by a different nation's laws. You might as well make it "Legal to protest American actions, but illegal to protest the actions of foreign actions."


yea noname im not saying abide by different laws. im saying inb4 ****storm. it's like we're giving other countries reasons to hate us. and our ignorant backwards hick ways. what are you going to do about that. that pastor terry guy literally got trolled into burning the qu'ran because he was mad
http://www.irreligion.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/d1bRZ.jpg

and now we're going to lose more lives in the middle east etc. how do you respond to that nonameC68
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yea noname im not saying abide by different laws. im saying inb4 ****storm. it's like we're giving other countries reasons to hate us. and our ignorant backwards hick ways. what are you going to do about that. that pastor terry guy literally got trolled into burning the qu'ran because he was mad


If people are going to hate America for allowing citizens to say just about whatever they want, then let it be. If a European threw the Koran in a bucket of crap which triggered an attack on Americans, I wouldn't blame the European but the terrorists.

We are no different than the pastor when we post pictures of Muhammad. Understand that we can't tolerate Islam while remaining intolerant to those who speak against Islam.

Understand, I'm not supporting the pastor's actions, only his rights. Maybe he should not have burned the Koran. Maybe burning the Koran is offensive and he should not have done it. Maybe he shouldn't speak against Islam. No matter which is the case, we shouldn't blame him for the deaths caused by terrorists.

Remember, people are allowed to be offensive.

and now we're going to lose more lives in the middle east etc. how do you respond to that nonameC68


We're going to lose lives in the middle east because we are in the middle of a war.

I'm all for protecting people, but we can't protect them by limiting our own rights for our own protection.
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Understand, I'm not supporting the pastor's actions, only his rights. Maybe he should not have burned the Koran. Maybe burning the Koran is offensive and he should not have done it. Maybe he shouldn't speak against Islam. No matter which is the case, we shouldn't blame him for the deaths caused by terrorists.



right i never said he should hae no rights, sure he is protected by the 1st amendment like in texas v johnson, mr johnson was found not guilty for burning the american flag as a form of protest. however i am hazy to understand what the pastor was protesting about. but thats besides the point. He is however the direct cause of those deaths, the straw that broke the camel's back. HAD he not burned the qu'ran then those 6 people would still be alive

Remember, people are allowed to be offensive.

right and they have to take responsibility of the consequences

We're going to lose lives in the middle east because we are in the middle of a war.

im talking civilian casualties, not soldier deaths

We are no different than the pastor when we post pictures of Muhammad. Understand that we can't tolerate Islam while remaining intolerant to those who speak against Islam.

actually we are protesting that such a rule is absurd, that is the reason why people are drawing muhammed.
this pastor however put the qu'ran on trial and burned it

I'm all for protecting people, but we can't protect them by limiting our own rights for our own protection.

yes in an ideal world. But this world is far from ideal and the world doesn't contain one country. I'm all for protecting rights, ive got enough munitions thanks to the 2nd amendment to probably stop another assault on the alamo. but people have to understand global consequences and not just worry about rights that are already severly infringed by the patriot act. such as phone taps, wire taps, mail searches etc. all for the sake of this "war on terror"
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right i never said he should hae no rights, sure he is protected by the 1st amendment like in texas v johnson, mr johnson was found not guilty for burning the american flag as a form of protest. however i am hazy to understand what the pastor was protesting about. but thats besides the point. He is however the direct cause of those deaths, the straw that broke the camel's back. HAD he not burned the qu'ran then those 6 people would still be alive


And? It isn't against the law to burn a book, and he is protected. You can call him an ******* all you want, but that is the worse you can do. He didn't break any law. You can't charge him.

right and they have to take responsibility of the consequences


The responsibility lies mostly with the violent &quotrotesters" that actually pulled out the attack. The pastor, no matter how much of an ******* he is, didn't kill the people.

yes in an ideal world. But this world is far from ideal and the world doesn't contain one country. I'm all for protecting rights, ive got enough munitions thanks to the 2nd amendment to probably stop another assault on the alamo. but people have to understand global consequences and not just worry about rights that are already severly infringed by the patriot act. such as phone taps, wire taps, mail searches etc. all for the sake of this "war on terror"


So, you are saying that we should sensor people's views if they might be found offensive by some violent party? So, you should not be aloud to criticize Islam, at all, at the high risk that you might offend some violent knucklehead half way around the world?
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