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by riding your last two pages i can't help to notice that you don't trust the current govr. knowing that politicians have a direct and heavy effects on your life there should be a complete reform of the political organisation, and trowing the idea of a single president/leader away forever.
as for taxes increas, i must agree with Einfach, Kevin and E1337. how can you expect the govr. to do it's job if it has not the resources to do so, but on the other hand why do politician need so much money? they should be having less rights, money and forbiden of leaving the country, forever...

Well, those don't stimulate economies, do they?

He didn't say anything but a name. I didn't ask for a name, I asked for proof.

Prove why the name should have any relevance, because I'm not the one reading your mind.

Because that was a bill enacted by congress.

A free market is not hindered by the government. If it is, then it's not truly free.

The government is the parent company of everyone, and make one squeal and one succeed. It loves favoritism.

Trusting the US government is like trusting a thief with your money.

By lying, stealing, tricking, bribery, corruption, and all sorts of manners that are morally and ethically wrong. No, I don't trust a person like that, and I wouldn't recommend anyone to.

I do.

A corrupt system leads to a corrupt politician. Change the system, change the politician.

You will only benefit from these entitlement programs if you're dirt poor or if you have problems early on in your life. If you live a healthy life as a hard working human being, you get ****ed. Those who are healthy and hard working should be rewarded. Those who are sick should be taken care of by those who care - they should be taken care of by family, friends, and those who donate to charity.

Taxing the rich does nothing but gives the government more money to waste. If the government doesn't waste the money, it will go to programs that will give the government more control over businesses, giving them an even bigger monopoly. I'm sick of this whole "free market monopoly" BS that is thrown around when government monopolies are perfectly acceptable. The only difference between government monopoly and free market monopoly is that the government FORCES you to buy their product and they STEAL your money through taxation. Private monopolies take your money when you choose to buy their product.

Choice is good.

Obama's plan is just a cover. He's soft soaping the poor so that the government has more power to enslave the working class even more through government monopoly. He's helping the poor by ruining quality of life for everyone else, especially the working class.

I hate Obama, he should an hero.

Obama's huge missile the nation's already destroyed budget has devastated us. We need to go to extreme measures. A tax hike.

What programs? A tax cut from the rich and a tax raise to middle class is completely fair. The government doesn't steal your money. They compile it into one big pool, and divide it equally among the population, including you.

Here's what I don't understand, we talk about wealth distribution and entitlement programs as if the middle class actually saves money or makes money. However, the reality should be crystal clear after you look at taxes. Why does redistribution of wealth also involve in the middle class paying more taxes?

Okay, fine, the gap between rich and poor is smaller, but that doesn't change the fact that I end up with less. If I go broke or If I have health issues, then maybe I'll save money, but why must you weigh down everyone just to take care of the poor and sick?

If everyone who payed into social security got more money back than what they payed over their life, there would be no reason for social security. Social security depends on people losing money, and the more we attack the rich, the more the middle class suffers. The rich CAN'T pay for everything, and we shouldn't expect them to.

If the rich were to pay for the middle and lower class, why would the middle and lower class have to pay at all?

Everyone pays more taxes.

I'm just wondering, if a boat was sinking, who would you take? The women and children or the wealthy men?

I'm just wondering, if a boat was sinking, who would you take? The women and children or the wealthy men?

I want an answer, not some "I don't see what this has to do with anything response."

I don't believe in an all knowing entity. This includes God and the government. The government knows less about what is best for the people than the people themselves.

I would allow families onto the boats first.

Fallacy of the weak analogy.

That's not an option . . .

This question has to do with health care doesn't it?

So increasing regulations makes things easier?

Adding more rules does not make the game any easier.

You still haven't given me proof.

Prove it.

He can't get a sunset provision.

Republicans control the house.

The government is a felonious corporation that sets regulations it fails to meet itself.

The government does not make my life better.

Every government service can be replaced by a private industry service that does the job just as well and better, so don't give me the bull**** about "you have no idea how much the government helps you."

A cheater will not stop cheating because he plays poker instead of chess.

Life is a first come first serve basis. I'd recommend they run.

Maybe that shoe will help them run faster. The boat is sinking after all, don't want to miss the great opportunity to live.

They speak truth. Life doesn't make amends because you cry yourself to sleep.

Well, it DOES apply to us as well. I don't see us crushing freedom of speech or committing genocide, either.

How are we fascists?

At this stage, the guys that own the house, which is needed to pass said bill, really don't like Mr. Obama.

It's not happening. If it does, I'm a monkey.

Bank of America fails anyways. There are other banks. Unfortunately, there is no other government I can go with, unless we secede. Unfortunately, that means I die.

An effective company provides its service to the best of its ability, because quality means more people buy it, and they make more money. Because they like money, they have an incentive to do things right.

Or just get into bed with Washington.

But other companies will. There are services for everyone, just most are too lazy to look.

Your political views are unjustified by your morals. It appears you have very little, in fact.

You don't really care about people at all.

You must not have many friends.

What happens when the people are too stupid to follow any other bank?

Yes, but if the only company that will accept you doesn't cover any of what you need covered, then what do you do?