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Kevin4762
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No, not the Noah and the Whale song, but I've wondered about border control and everything.

Since I don't want to seem like I am obsessed with the economy, I'd like to focus on other things.

Border Control. Currently, border control is very strict. I propose that if anybody has stayed in the US longer than five years, or has family that has stayed longer than five years, they cannot be asked to leave and have full citizenship.

I see no problem in this. This seems like a logical approach to the situation, no?

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Avorne
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or has family that has stayed longer than five years,


"Well, we've been here for 6 years now, let's invite cousin Jose and the rest of the clan over."
Kevin4762
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"Well, we've been here for 6 years now, let's invite cousin Jose and the rest of the clan over."


What's the problem?
Avorne
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Just how do you define family? Do you mean a close kinship network or the whole extended family?

Kevin4762
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Just how do you define family? Do you mean a close kinship network or the whole extended family?


If you can find some direct family. If your sister got married to a guy, then that guy's your brother-in-law's, family can go with you.

Any sort of blood or marital relation.
Avorne
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Any sort of blood or marital relation.


Why should they have any sort of right to claim citizenship? Also, going by the 'any blood relation' definition, you could claim that thousands of people are technically a part of your family.
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Any sort of blood or marital relation.


That can be quite a lot of people.
Kevin4762
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Why should they have any sort of right to claim citizenship? Also, going by the 'any blood relation' definition, you could claim that thousands of people are technically a part of your family.


Hm. I guess I'll scratch that out. My goal to prevent that was so that babies alone couldn't be deported.
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Why not just let them over regardless of family? Why not just give them full citizenship in no years time, right at the border?

You presented a plan, but I don't see the purpose.

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I propose that if anybody has stayed in the US longer than five years, or has family that has stayed longer than five years, they cannot be asked to leave and have full citizenship.


So if illegal immigrants come here they can stay if they evade discovery for five years. That is like saying we have laws and if you break them you get punished but if you are so good at breaking them that you aren't found out for 5 years we'll forget about it. This will increase illegal immigration massively.
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That is like saying we have laws and if you break them you get punished but if you are so good at breaking them that you aren't found out for 5 years we'll forget about it.
Are you familiar with the statute of limitations?
Kevin4762
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Why not just let them over regardless of family? Why not just give them full citizenship in no years time, right at the border?

You presented a plan, but I don't see the purpose.


I proposed a probable plan. Most Republicans wouldn't agree to giving them full citizenship instantly.
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Why not give anyone citizenship if they agree to do 3 years work for the US government at minimal wage. Only dedicated hard working people will get citizenship and it will make the government a ton of money.

Kevin4762
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Why not give anyone citizenship if they agree to do 3 years work for the US government at minimal wage. Only dedicated hard working people will get citizenship and it will make the government a ton of money.


I like it, Harry.
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Really? REALLY? you guys are wondering about how we can make these convoluted plans on making the illegal immigrants over here legal?

...I prefer the Texans' plan from the beginning of "Machete", but what ev...

Citizenship in this country is determined on whether or not the said individual can become a proud member of the American Workforce. Illegal Immigrants come into the nation because they don't want to pay taxes, and as such, are stealing jobs from true American citizens, people who were born here/people who have shown their capabilities as a hard worker. Because the Mexicans who cross over probably come from poor areas, they'll work for pennies an hour, and when the corporation leaders start to get threatened by the workers' abuse charges, the foremen just ask the Mexicans to see their citizenship papers.

If you want to become a citizen of this country, then do it the right way! Fix your own country before you come over here and mess up ours like you did yours!!

I still say we should've stayed in Mexico back in 1848, woulda saved us all this "border control" trouble

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Citizenship in this country is determined on whether or not the said individual can become a proud member of the American Workforce.

I'd say it was not determined by this. A severely disabled person by your definition would not be an American citizen, since he cannot be a 'member of the American Workforce'

Illegal Immigrants come into the nation because they don't want to pay taxes, and as such, are stealing jobs from true American citizens, people who were born here/people who have shown their capabilities as a hard worker.

False; they come to you for a chance at a better life. For this purpose they will do complete sh*t jobs, jobs most 'true' americans wouldn't want to do in their worst nightmares. If they had a decent chance at becoming an American citizen by hard work, they would gladly pay their taxes.

Because the Mexicans who cross over probably come from poor areas, they'll work for pennies an hour, and when the corporation leaders start to get threatened by the workers' abuse charges, the foremen just ask the Mexicans to see their citizenship papers.

Don't blame immigrants for the faults of the US corporations. They just want to work for whomever pays them, they don't care about corporation politics and schemes. Saying the corporations can exert a decent form of crowd control like this is only saying the corporations are rotten.

Fix your own country before you come over here and mess up ours like you did yours!!

How can someone fix their country if they make a few pennies an hour, even less than with an illegal job in the USA, hampered by -for instance- corruption and crappy healthcare?

I still say we should've stayed in Mexico back in 1848, woulda saved us all this "border control" trouble

This would only have moved the problem from the US-Mexican border to the border of Mexico with Honduras / Guatemala.
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