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roflcopter117
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you decide!

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EmperorPalpatine
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Osama caused the death of 100.000 people.
Hitler caused the death of 6.000.000 people
Stalin caused the death of 50.000.000 people


I'll fix those numbers:

Osama is responsible for 3,500 lives (during the '90s and 9/11 attacks, I'd guess about 1000 more from the ongoing war).

Hitler is responsible for 12,000,000 lives (in the Holocaust and Gestapo raids).

Stalin is responsible for 23,000,000 lives (from his purges and famines he allowed).

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1. The number of repressed citizens of the Soviet Union is not known. Some argue that there were 25 million, some of that 4 million, and some 95 million (O_O).

There are the following data:

Here are the figures on the total number of inmates in prisons and camps of the NKVD (as of 1 January of the year) and the number convicted of counterrevolutionary crimes:

1930 ______179 000
1931 ______212 000
1932 ______268 000
1933 ______334 300
1934 ______ 610 307
1935 ______ 965 742_____ - 118 256 (12,2 %)
1936 _____1 296 494_____ - 105 849 (8,2 %)
1937 _____1 196 469_____ - 104 826 (8,8 %)
1938 _____1 881 570_____ - 185 324 (9,8 %)
1939 _____1 672 438_____ - 454 432 (27,2 %)
1940 _____1 659 992_____ - 444 999 (26,8 %)
1941 _____1 929 729_____ - 420 293 (21,8 %)
1942 _____1 777 043_____ - 407 988 (23,0 %)
1943 _____1 484 182_____ - 345 397 (23,3 %)
1944 _____1 879 819_____ - 268 861 (22,8 %)
1945 _____1 460 677_____ - 289 351 (19,8 %)
1946 _____1 703 095_____ - 333 883 (19,6 %)
1947 _____1 721 543_____ - 427 653 (24,8 %)
1948 _____2 199 535_____ - 416 156 (18,9 %)
1949 _____2 356 685_____ - 420 696 (17,9 %)
1950 _____2 561 351_____ - 578 912 (22,6 %)
1951 _____2 528 146_____ - 475 976 (18,8 %)
1952 _____2 504 519_____ - 480 766 (19,2 %)
1953 _____2 468 524_____ - 465 256 (18,8 %)


http://www.thewalls.ru/truth/repress.htm # v5

From these data we can say the following:
1. In the camps and colonies of the Gulag was not tens of millions of repressed people. During the period from 1921 to 1953 through the Gulag was 3,777,380 people.
2. Most of the prisoners were criminals.
3. "Political" - not all were convicted unjustly. Vlasov, ounovtsy, Bandera, traitors and anti-Soviet conspirators and traitors - "were" well-deserved.

And yet it is worth recalling that in the prewar Stalin era Soviet population increased continuously: 1926 - 147 million 1937 - 162.7 million, 1939 - 170.1 million people.

But what to call these times, when the population of the Russian Federation only decreases by almost a million a year? ..

2. When people talk about the number of victims, these victims are added more and more people dying of hunger, deportees and others

3. Where did the data on the number of victims of Stalin's regime? Soviet archives have not yet fully open.

4. The Second World War started because of Hitler. so that the responsibility for all the victims of this war lies on it (62 million http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties)

5. "Only the *******s who work at Washington, can compare the number of victims."

6. Stalin led our country to victory. Thanks to Stalin, we were able to "resurrect" our country from the ruins.

P.S. Sorry for my bad English.

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The Second World War started because of Hitler. so that the responsibility for all the victims of this war lies on it


All deaths caused by and of Italian Romanian and Bulgarian soldiers cannt be blamed on Hitler as they all decided to join the war independently, also no deaths in the Pacific Theatre can be blamed on hitler as this was almost as seperate war, it just happoen at the same time involving many of the same countries.


You fail to adress however the countless deaths actually carried out by NKVD death squads by order of Stalin.

Stalin also ordered the killings of hundreds of resisstance fighters in Eastern Europe because they weren't communist or the right sort,these would have been recorded as casualties of war.

He also ordered the Soviet army not to aid the Polish resistance fighters in Warsaw and left them to die even though his troops could have entered the city to relieve them at any time.
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You fail to adress however the countless deaths actually carried out by NKVD death squads by order of Stalin.

Stalin also ordered the killings of hundreds of resisstance fighters in Eastern Europe because they weren't communist or the right sort,these would have been recorded as casualties of war.


Hitler and his SS killed no fewer than killed the NKVD.


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Sorry, but I did not understand what you're talking about. If you say that Hitler had invaded Poland and the Soviet Union did not protect it, there's a simple explanation. The Soviet Union was not prepared for war. Stalin was trying as much as possible to delay its start, to prepare his army.
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Sorry.
I mean


He also ordered the Soviet army not to aid the Polish resistance fighters in Warsaw and left them to die even though his troops could have entered the city to relieve them at any time.
sprooschicken
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Hitler and his SS killed no fewer than killed the NKVD.


Yes they did but thats besides the point.

Sorry, but I did not understand what you're talking about. If you say that Hitler had invaded Poland and the Soviet Union did not protect it, there's a simple explanation. The Soviet Union was not prepared for war. Stalin was trying as much as possible to delay its start, to prepare his army.


No, this happened at the end of 1944, its called the Warsaw uprising, look it up.
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No, this happened at the end of 1944, its called the Warsaw uprising, look it up


The Soviet offensive near Warsaw slowed down for purely military reasons. Stretched due to the rapid advancement of communication was not allowed to adjust the supply of the armies of the 1st Byelorussian Front and take the necessary reinforcements. In turn, the reduction in communications allowed the Germans to transfer the Wehrmacht in the west and north-east of combat-ready tank and infantry units, which inflicted a serious defeat Soviet troops in the area Radzymin-Wolomin-Okunev, surrounded and almost destroying the 3rd Armored Corps Vedeneeva. The Red Army suffered a permanent and counterattack with heavy losses could come to Warsaw only to mid-September. By this time, pockets of rebellion have been localized, and the bridges over the Vistula - blown up. The commander of the 1st Byelorussian Front Rokossovsky indicates a complete surprise rebellion and lack of coordination between its leadership and command of the Red Army, noting that the seizure and retention of Warsaw was only possible at the beginning of the uprising with the direct approach of the Red Army to the city.
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Cool so you think freaking some people out is worse than, killing 20 million completely innocent people, most of whom were his own country me


...harsh...
EmperorPalpatine
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The Soviet offensive near Warsaw slowed down for purely military reasons.

No, it was halted for tactical reasons. It was more of a case of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." They waited until the Polish Resistance was decimated by the German Army. That way, after the Germans were driven out, there would be no one to undermine Soviet control.
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Not only that during the start of the uprising, they refused to allow british and American plains from using Russian airstrips to drop supplies over Warsaw.

Furthermore, in the later stages of the uprising, the red army was on the other side of the river, they sent their polish conscript battalions across the river with no training and poor equipment to be slaughtered, they then cut of all radio communication with the other side of the river. That was a cold, out and out betrayal of their conscripts, they sent them to die, to get them out of the way.

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Where's Mao Zedong?

sprooschicken
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Well there are a lot of people I can think of far, far worse than Osama, I really don't know why he's even on here?

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He also ordered the Soviet army not to aid the Polish resistance fighters in Warsaw and left them to die even though his troops could have entered the city to relieve them at any time.


I just thought... should they have done that. WWII would have been prevented entirely, if not then for a very long time.
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Ha, i know my history very well. Hitler was alot worse , He killed millions people even say billions , it might be true. But Hitler killed Jews , blacks , even his own race. You where going to die if you were not a true German. He killed people with bloned hair as well . Just because of there hair. All this is true ...Sadam was suposibly the next hitler , he killed over a hundered thousand people.... ...... Osama killed thousands of people , thats what i know . But hitler worse of course, don't belive me go back to school. This stuff is learned in 10th grade i beleive.

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Wow , should have mentioned that WW1 was started by acident, no one was prepared for warefare. But then a couple years later they started up a world war again , lol , this time people were not aware , they just went in Millions dead , Alot of them where slaves , which some people say that's how slavery started. But besides that , message me on my profile if you want more info . I love history . Favorite subject . Quick link to yz125

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