I've decided to devote a thread to the belief system in which I believe God works on.
Let's begin on what God is all about: 1rst we will look at choice. As many of you will argue that religion is something that once you get into it, you will simply blindly follow and you are given a ball and chain and there is absolutely no choice whatsoever. That's simply not the case. I'm sure you know as well as I do that there are extremist out there, but nonetheless God created us with freewill. Otherwise there wouldn't be any atheist to go haywire on this thread after they have read it. We as humans have a choice in which we set our faith (or lack thereof) our morals, our beliefs, and so on and so forth. God didn't want robots without any choice. He wanted something you could make that he could love him and something intelligent enough to love him back.
2nd we will look at faith. Religion is based completely on faith. Hebrews 11 is all about faith (NIV translation)
Verse 1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for. Verse 3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at Godâs command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
Verse 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
In part of God not wanting robots he decided to make life more interesting. He wants us to love him through faith and nothing more. This way he can understand how real your love for him truly is.
Now let's delve into Compromised Choice shall we. Atheism is the lack of faith of a divine being. Athiest prefer backed evidence compared to stories or biased sources. They need to see to believe contrary to Hebrews 11:1. But why would that be contrary to God?
Why would an omnipotent being need to be seen only through faith?
Because remember the first thing about God - he is all about choice. Therefor revealing himself outright would compromise this. Let me put it in a case of a scenario. If right now, wherever you are, God appeared right in front of you. He called you by name, then snapped his fingers and all of a sudden an elephant was created next to you, or he healed someone right there in front of you. Better yet let's say he did it at an international science convention where it was broadcast all over the world. Now God is there preforming miracles for the entire scientific community to see. Every single scientist in the world could run any number of tests that there is and get positive results that standing right there is indeed an omnipotent being.
So given that scenario, you have all the evidence you need. You have seen with your own eyes along with the rest of the world that God exist. You have all the scientific evidence in the world to back it as well. What reason would you have to NOT believe God existed? There would be miniscule reasoning to not believe in God.
Now this brings us to the second part of the Compromised Choice system. Faith. If you could see God right there in front of you, there would be no reason to have faith. You could love him or not but either way that love would be superficial. If you knew you could go to heaven or hell just by loving him there would be little choice in choosing a path because the only logical thing would be to believe in him.
God does not want to work on human terms because he has no need to. He gave the guidelines for what he would like for us to do and he has kept those guidelines for thousands of years and we continue to have a choice in what we do. But there is logical reasoning behind him never showing himself in the first place because he refuses to compromise his original intentions.
**** it mage I have to stare at thing while I reply.
So no humans will condone killing someone for insulting them eh? I thought that throughout history you pretty much couldn't do anything that would slightly anger a king without being killed (this doesn't apply to all kings).
Fair enough, let's say no human laws. Or modern laws will condone murder for that reason. Except in war but this wasn't a case of military action.
Please don't bring up morals... Half the people here don't understand what they are.
Then why bring sin into this? isn't it not a negative moral choice?
What is with that picture?
It's a disease, it causes great suffering both emotionally and physically. In most cases the child lives a short painful life. If we are to believe that sin is the root cause of all suffering, then we are to believe this disease is the result of sin. Our choice to sin (as it would be said) does not explain the existence of such diseases. And this is only but one example out of many that could be used.
"You kids leave him alone, he is a very important guy for my plan. Understand? Okay, now run along kids, oh and here is some ice-cream *happyface*."
That's what i would have done. Except for the ice cream, that's mine, all mine.
Fair enough, let's say no human laws. Or modern laws will condone murder for that reason. Except in war but this wasn't a case of military action.
I know I'm contradicting my last post when i said "Please don't bring up morals..." but the reason for that is because our morals now are different then their morals.
I know I'm contradicting my last post when i said "Please don't bring up morals..." but the reason for that is because our morals now are different then their morals
So it's okay for god to do it because the people in 4000 BC would have condoned it? Do god's morals change then?
God cannot change, if he does it means he was incorrect and therefore is not god. If his actions and morals are effected by mans than he is not god. If your argument is correct he is not god.
