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zakyman
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Should the school year be extended to include the summer, with mini-breaks in between, considering that we are now 25th among nations surveyed in education.
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1. As with the "Should Israel Exist" thread, give me evidence supporting your opinion
2. If not year long, what should the solution be to raise our ranks?

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MageGrayWolf
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2. If not year long, what should the solution be to raise our ranks?


Improved funding would help greatly.
valkery
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Improved funding would help greatly.


You do realize that if Ghadafi wasn't such a ******, Libya would be a terrific country.

Over thirty percent of Libya's funding per year goes to public education and that means that education in Libya is free, up until the collegiate level.

Link to education in Libya. For a communist country, you have to admit that is just as good as America.

I don't have the time right now to find a link to back up the 30 percent thing, but I will find one. Later.
Sheppard007
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It would help America's test scores a lot, though a lot of kids will probably be against it at first.

GhostOfMatrix
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Stricter schooling and more money for funding would do the job.

At my highschool a lot of the students there slack, apparently they don't care about their futures. However, if the schools were stricter with the schooling and there was more funding for the schools, more activities, classes, teachers then I'm sure that they would get their act together. They also should increase the time in the day for school and spread out the classes so that children learn things. In my highschool there are eight-ten classes a day with fourty-five minutes for each class. Instead of this, make it four-five classes a day for an hour-hour and a half a day. But they can't do this because of the lack of money. Last year it was like this, but this year they decided to mess everything up and now people barely lean anything.

As for a year long school with many mini-breaks, I agree with it. The students shouldn't be out of school for three months because most of them don't remember things that they learned the past school year.

kingjac11
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Stricter schooling and more money for funding would do the job.

I agree with this because a lot of my friends I know from going into to school the first time have been kept back.
As for a year long school with many mini-breaks, I agree with it. The students shouldn't be out of school for three months because most of them don't remember things that they learned the past school year.
Maybe just for summer two months or a month and more mini-breaks?
wolf1991
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It would help America's test scores a lot, though a lot of kids will probably be against it at first.


Where is the evidence to support this?
qwerty1011
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I think that some people are just stupid and you can't help them. And the thing about more school is that you do more topics in a subject so you get roughly the same score in an exam proportionally. And there would be protests if it was implemented and the government would lose the next election for sure. And I like a nice long relaxing break which was made so that a) students can enjoy the nice weather and b) It is a time to get holidays out of the way. And a long break kind of marks the ascension to the next year. And I think that a better idea would be to a) set students for most subjects and b) If you have students who are obviously really good at a subject and find the set work really easy keep some extension work to give them so that we can at least have some REALLY clever people if not averaging out as clever.

That was mainly from what I think should happen in maths since I am really good at maths. I'm not sure about other subjects and how that could apply.

Paarfam
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1. As with the "Should Israel Exist" thread, give me evidence supporting your opinion

You need evidence for every opinion that isn't common sense. For that opinion, go here.
wolf1991
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The problem I have with America's system (along with Canada's) is the idea of not leaving everyone behind. As someone who is looking forward to being a teacher this concerns me.

The system is based around the average person. This simply isn't fair for two reasons. One you often have above average students in a classroom and two, you often have below average students. Once a student of below average work shows up you have to slow things down so that they're not "left behind."

As a prospecting educator I see no problem with helping those who need more help than others. I do see a problem though with making others suffer just so that a handful of students can feel a sense of achievment. Also, often times that "below average" student. Isn't stupid, they're just lazy. It isn't a teacher's responsibility to hold the hands of students. Teachers can only do so much, after that you need to make the student work.

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This would be a bad piece of legislation if it ever got to congress. First of all it would affect many people and change many plans. It would also close many summer camps and facilities that depend on summer vacations and tourism for their business, especially many businesses in many cities that depend on tourism.

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There are some year long school's in the uS. I remember one in St. Louis, MO -- It was a week on, a week off, etc.
In Houston, I had 8 classes a day. Nobody learned anything, people were retarded. I think this has more to do with the socioeonomic structure of the area and the fact that you could sleep to 'excel' in that school
In VA, I've been exposed to block scheduling. 3 classes 1 hr 30 min, and one 45 min class. the next day, we do diff. long classes and the same 45 min. period. It's a lot better in remembering info, and the school is much better.
Then again, this school has a bunch of Koreans. Not to sound racist, but from what I've seen they're generally inclined not to be idiots.

To be sincerely honest, the #1 thing I think American schools lack is early preparation. I'm not talking about that BS crap for .1 year old babies, I mean 7th-8th grade. You can slack until then [ I did ] but afterwards if a kid doesn't realize that he'll be a failure in a little while, then it's downhill. It isn't because of the length of the school year, it's just that he'll ignore everything he hears in Algebra 1. Later on, in Precalculus, he won't know wtf he's doing no matter how hard he tries. Students get left behind when they're lazy, and then they have a tough time fixing it, and those who don't fix usually end up with weed or something.

It's a terrible piece of legislation, if a kid wants to he can excel. I've never met anybody I couldn't teach 'harder math' to. It depends if someone is willing to learn and practice. 99% of the stupid kids in my school were stupid because they didn't care in my freshman year. Now, in my junior year, they're all idiots because they couldn't get any knowledge back to them even if they wanted to.
Also, it'd kill buisnesses that rely on travel/long break periods such as tourism.
People would literally be stuck in an annoying series of short vacations -- and that would result in everyone hating transportation costs.

What I DO agree on is that the 'no child left behind policy' is a load of bullcrap. Everyone I've ever seen fail a class isn't equipped with a weaker brain. It's insane how EASY it is to score a C or a D in school. You literally just do homework and fail tests. That's enough to get a kid out of the 'no child left behind' loop. I think classes should go at a quicker pace and push out less homework.

wolf1991
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What I DO agree on is that the 'no child left behind policy' is a load of bullcrap. Everyone I've ever seen fail a class isn't equipped with a weaker brain. It's insane how EASY it is to score a C or a D in school. You literally just do homework and fail tests. That's enough to get a kid out of the 'no child left behind' loop. I think classes should go at a quicker pace and push out less homework.


While I agree that things should be taught at a quicker pace, I believe it necessary to equip schools and the faculty with the appropriate funding. Often times teachers are just as unprepared as students because they do not possess the proper equipment, such as text books.

Our society needs to develop a priority for education. Not corporate monopolies and militaries. We also need to break away from the "treat everyone equally" mindset. Not everyone is equal. For example I had a friend who was amazing at Maths and Sciences, but couldn't write an essay above a C average even after tutoring he only managed a B. On the flip side I easily write essays, but couldn't solve any complex math equation. In highschool I only managed a C average for math even with a tutor.
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leave us as we are. the last thing we need is government shelling out money for year round public schooling.

wolf1991
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the last thing we need is government shelling out money for year round public schooling.


The government isn't shelling out enough money to public schools if you ask me.
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I live in a coastal are and the economy here is heavily reliant on tourism during the summer months so having the summer off is important.

I don't believe it would improve test scores.

Personally I think that we should be tested after finishing middle school to see if we should even be allowed move past that educational level.

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