In class, we were introduced to people who had undergone/ were considering having a sex change. One person spoke of how once the sex change was done, he couldn't travel on his passport, as he was previously a she.
What do you think the pros and cons of individuals who undergo this procedure recieving full documentation could be?
I can see only pros and no cons in allowing a full change of documentation - after all, almost every person that pursues gender reassignment does so because they are (mentally) the gender they're being reassigned to, changing all their documents to reflect that they are now officially that gender only helps to further the recognition they receive as being the man/woman they've been on the inside all along.
Yes but to change documentation would ultimately begin with a birth certificate, as a lot of other documentation relies on the official birth cert. Altering a persons birth certificate is pretty much wiping out their previous Identity.
I'm all for it. I think people who have sex changes deserve their old life as such to be gone if that's what they want. But there's an argument for security purposes etc too.
If you think about it, you're really just correcting the documentation so that it better reflects reality. I mean, even before the sex change, (as Avorne said) the person probably already considers themselves to be the other gender. So the documents were inaccurate to begin with.
No they aren't. I could consider my hair to be blue, doesn't mean my birth certificate should say it's blue. You are who you are, not necessarily who you want to be.
o they aren't. I could consider my hair to be blue, doesn't mean my birth certificate should say it's blue. You are who you are, not necessarily who you want to be.
It depends on how you look at gender identity. Personally, I think being a male has more to do with considering yourself to be a male than having a penis. So, even before surgery, I think that people are what they want to be.
When a baby is born, the doctor (or whoever) might write down "male" on the birth certificate, but pretty soon that baby might start thinking it's a girl.
It depends on how you look at gender identity. Personally, I think being a male has more to do with considering yourself to be a male than having a penis. So, even before surgery, I think that people are what they want to be.
I think if you have a Y chromosome, your a male.
When a baby is born, the doctor (or whoever) might write down "male" on the birth certificate, but pretty soon that baby might start thinking it's a girl.
It could think whatever it likes, it's still a boy.
No i totally understand. I'm 100% for people actively taking steps towards their true gender identity. I think it must be the worst feeling in the world to be trapped in someone elses body, one could call it hell.
I know however that due to the controversy already surrounding people feeling like that, could the system be made easier and if so how.
If i considered myself a parrot and not human, they wouldn't change my certificates.
I think that all official documents should be changed except for the birth certificate, because that is a documentation of your birth gender, not the gender that you would become due to sex change.
I think in this case, Avorne is right. If you're feeling like another gender, then you should probably change to it to save yourself from the pain of gender confusion.
unfortunately, once you get the surgery, the repercussions might be more than the patient bargained for.
How so? The patients are given numerous psychological evaluations and have long discussions with the people who're going to perform the surgery in order to make sure that they're absolutely sure that this is what they want and that they understood the consequences.
How so? The patients are given numerous psychological evaluations and have long discussions with the people who're going to perform the surgery in order to make sure that they're absolutely sure that this is what they want and that they understood the consequences.
I completely understand that part, but you might look a bit deformed for the rest of your life if some of the surgery goes wrong. trust me, I have a neighbor next door who had a botched sex change to become a woman, now he/she looks like...well...he/she. I know that it may not always be the case, but if it does happen, that's how you will look for the rest of your life (if more plastic surgery isn't involved).
I do not see a con here either I mean although some people might not agree that sex change shouldn't happen it is ultimately the person choice and mentally what the person think he/she truly thinks their gender should be and them not being able to travel the country/worl isn't right.
I think more people need to campaign for the rights of those with sex changes.
I asked someone i know who's about to have the operation and she said she's afraid of a passport change simply because along with a name change will they be able to trace their travel.. if you understand what i mean?
No i totally understand. I'm 100% for people actively taking steps towards their true gender identity. I think it must be the worst feeling in the world to be trapped in someone elses body, one could call it hell.
Except its their own body, they just don't want it.
I know however that due to the controversy already surrounding people feeling like that, could the system be made easier and if so how.
I don't think its controversy, i think that it will just make things extremely complicated.
I think that all official documents should be changed except for the birth certificate, because that is a documentation of your birth gender, not the gender that you would become due to sex change.
The certificate itself definitely shouldn't be touched but their should be a note that you underwent the procedure.
I think more people need to campaign for the rights of those with sex changes.
What rights? They are completely equal in every way. If we let them change their birth certificate then we are actually giving them more rights because no one else has the right to alter their certificate.
Heres a question I'm not sure about, if you get your name officially in court, do they change your birth certificate?
