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ZipperedVenus42
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This is a thread for discussing the ethical, political, and legal values of music downloading.

In my opinion, the internet removed nearly all practicality of copyright infringement of music. This is why I think that soon America (and other countries such as Canada, etc.) might rid of copyright infringement of music entirely, because the internet is way too public for these laws to be enforced.

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Jefferysinspiration
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Well youtube/through UMG (i think) have cracked down on the issue pretty severely on their site.

I don't think it's such a bad thing if it's readily available. My brother uses a site to download movies, tv shows and music and pays a fee of £10 per month for unlimited use. It's legal and most d/l websites should lower their prices.

Engima
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I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to get completely rid of it.
But theres NO way they can totally get rid of it.

Honestly I don't see a problem with it, its there for free get it.

MageGrayWolf
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Well youtube/through UMG (i think) have cracked down on the issue pretty severely on their site.


YouTube is selective about enforcing their policies.

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Xzeno
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Honestly I don't see a problem with it, its there for free get it.
What about the theft part?
Squidbears
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What about the theft part?

exactly. someone made that music... they deserve to get paid for it.
master565
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I made a similar thread to this about a month ago that was locked for some unknown reason. Link

Removing copyright laws for music just makes it easier then it already is to get music for free by opening up more mediums for people to obtain it from. Downloading from these websites is still illegal, even if people can't getting caught from it, so the fact that they are breaking the law might dissuade some people from doing it. The fact that they are stealing should be enough of a reason not to do it but apparently it's not.

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to me its sort of a good bad thing you know.

on the down side of the situation, you have people illegally taking your music and you are gaining no profit, thus you are unable to use that profit for promotional purposes, studio time, gear, and other stuff of the sort.

on the upside, YOU DO have people DOWNLOADING your music, most likely because they like it. so its like if you sue the people downloading your music, your essentially just suing your fans.

now, i AM a musician and i DO have some experience in this, not on this specific incident of people stealing my music, but I've been around the business long enough to understand that people SHOULD NOT and i repeat SHOULD NOT, download music illegally. the reason being is, if its a band that's like trying to survive at the most in the industry then you're essentially just screwing them. getting big in the industry itself ISN'T particularly hard, all you need is the following:

1.money
2.gear
3.a trailer to lug your gear around in
4.a good promotionalist
5.something to record tracks in. such as a studio of some sort.


now here's my whole thing with the Metallica situation.

Lars is essentially the biggest dueche in the world. the dude was and is a MILLIONAIRE at this point in his career. has EVERYTHING he needs, he good make the most BS album ever and it would still probably make charts merely on the fact that its by Metallica.

so to sum it all up, don't steal artists music, flat out, its not cool. artists, don't sue your fans if you're already millionaires and have resources out the ***

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I sometimes feel bad when pirating music.

Not usually. I feel an artist's first obligation is to entertain, not to make money. While money is great, I simply don't have any of it anyways, so I'm not going to enjoy great music legally. Whenever they come to town I'll happily go to their shows, except the never do anyways.

I would buy my music, I just can't pay for it. I'd have a hell of a time finding a record store around here that puts up metal anyways, and I don't like sending money into cyberspace for a few megabytes of binary.

delossantosj
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I sometimes feel bad when pirating music.

Not usually. I feel an artist's first obligation is to entertain, not to make money. While money is great, I simply don't have any of it anyways, so I'm not going to enjoy great music legally. Whenever they come to town I'll happily go to their shows, except the never do anyways.

I would buy my music, I just can't pay for it. I'd have a hell of a time finding a record store around here that puts up metal anyways, and I don't like sending money into cyberspace for a few megabytes of binary.


a lot of people dont have money to spend on music legally. their only way to enjoy the music from their artists is illegally. me personally, i dont, i use this thing called "zune pass" though... works for me.

but again though, people are going to steal music, i just dont enjoy people going around promoting the websites and junk.

again though. stealing music, is in fact, a bad thing. cause although a bands purpose is to entertain, if you want them to continue to even release materiel at all, they need money.

another little fun fact on how the industry typically works so people can further understand the situation.

when artists go to record labels and start being promoted by places like "victory", "roadrunner", "virgin", "rise", or "epitaph", usually what goes down is that the label gives them a loan essentially, contracts are written on what they can and cant spend it on and on what the label well "give" to them.

from their, bands use that money for stuff like managers, promotionalists, gear (if not sponsored), and other stuff. tickets are sold, band merch is sold, CD's are sold, and with all that money, you have to pay the label back that money, usually with some interest so they can make profit. the money remaining is YOUR profit.

it may sound like you aren't making a ton of money here does it. probably cause you aren't. typically the profit you personally make is very minimal. this is of course if you are just starting out for a minor label and such. labels also typically make a deal with the studio time and music videos and such, depending on how big of a band you are. i digress. anyways, bands starting out usually dont make a whole lot of money. once you start working your way up though, the profit will work its way in. so essentialy, the bigger the fan base, the more profit. but thats pretty obvious
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I think that there's not really anything wrong with it. It's in places like youtube for free and there are legal things like youtubedownloader to get it from there onto things like an ipod

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I doubt we would get rid of copy right purposes! If we did there would be to much drama. And there is plenty of places to get free music! You can even search a artist, like Linkin Park. If you searched free Linkin Park music on Google, thousands of websites would pop up!

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Is it illegal to download music in Canada? It seems a little muddled up here. Apparently there's legislation out there, but it either hasn't cleared Parliment, or they just don't enforce it. Anyway...

My view on downloading free music is somewhat like Orion's, though I don't feel bad about it. See, I use the free download to support my favourite bands and to find other bands. Let me explain.

One of my favourite bands, Our Lady Peace has been around for roughtly 20 years or so. They have a lot of music, and a lot of their older, or bonus tracks are undownloadable. So, I have fractions of their albums on my computer, but I want the entire album. So I listen to a few songs for free, then I go out and buy the rest of the album. It's like sampling.

I personally feel this helps the music industry grow. I've found some pretty obscure bands through downloading. The latest one is Art of Dying. Apparently they've been around for years, but I never heard of them until I managed to get one of their songs through a free download. Now I have their latest album.

delossantosj
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As for those who do it for making music, they probably wouldn't care.


very ignorant statement. if you want a band to keep on creating music for YOUR enjoyment, they need money. do you think artists just pull all their meterial out their ***, record it on a 20 dollar microphone, then release it? no. they have to PAY for studio time and other things of the sort. tracks have to be mixed AND mastered by producers, which by the way is NOT cheap. believe me, i WANT my music to be heard, and i want it to sound good.
ZipperedVenus42
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Of course musicians will often be annoyed by a loss of revenue, but iTunes and such isn't usually the main way through which musicians get their money. Many musicians get their money from touring.

Before iTunes and music downloading, musicians didn't get [i]any[i] profit by these means, an they still made a living.

delossantosj
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Before iTunes and music downloading, musicians didn't get [i]any[i] profit by these means, an they still made a living.


actually there were these ancient techniques that where used called vinyl, cassettes, and CD's
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