Forums → WEPR → Capitalism or Socialism?

Did you forget that the US Government isn't a private company? It appears you did.

The problem with capitalism, albeit it being a form of economic and societal management, is the competition within a free market and the pioneering of innovation and such forth. But eventually that dogma leads into a monopoly due to competitors beating each other out of the marketplace. Which in short, capitalism evolves into monopolistic corporatism.

Socialism on the other hand often is a monopoly. Its governed by the state however, and run in the best interests of the people. Primarily focusing on welfare and infrastructure, rather then profit. Even so, with that sort of system things can either go autocratic or bureaucratic, both of which can be very inefficient. Socialism tends to be inefficient granted the way its managed as well.


For me I don't like either system of management. I'm not an atypical conservative or liberal. That's a common problem with American politics, there is no mix or middle.

TO best describe me im something of a militarist mixed with a survivalist. I believe in order and safety, and as long as people are fed, clothed and the state can be self sufficient or at the very least, not dependent upon the world bank and international monetary fund. Not necessarily fascism, since the fact fascism revolves around a nationalistic attitude that can be quite dangerous and volatile, and the fact it supports corporatism is a large no no to me.

Just stick with what America's got to say. We might be in a hole now but thats because the government dipped in.

I'm not American, nor is my country reliant upon America. (Unless you count the meager tourism. We get more from the former British commonwealth anyways.)

My country is Dominican Republic, if you didn't know.

Mind my double posting, but the main reason why America started to grow debt was because of Ronald Reagan's derp policies. HE set it so that if one mishandled budget were to strike due to the idiocy of the current leadership, aka puto-dip-**** the second or George Bush Junior if you will, pushed the military budget, the economy fails. Add in a complacent, do nothing overpreached false prophet like the monkey you have in office now, and you get the picture.

Looks like we've got some bits of confusion over here.

First, capitalism doesn't care about monopolies, as far as capitalism is simply the private owning of the means of production. Nothing more, nothing less. The only difference between capitalism and socialism is that in capitalistic societies, means of productions are owned by private interests, and in socialist ones they are owned by the State, therefore the people.

Socialism is a monopolistic economic system, and is opposed to economic liberalism which, basically, is all about free-market. Capitalism can be monopolistic, if the means of production in one sector are owned by a unique person, for instance.

For instance, if McDonalds, which is owned by shareholders, and therefore a capitalistic company, managed to destroy Burger King, KFC, and every other fast-food on the american ground, it would then be a capitalistic monopoly.

socialist ones they are owned by the State, therefore the people.

Capitalism is the manifestation of growth and progress neatly symbolized into an economical/social lifestyle that the most powerful countries on the planet utilize. If someone makes a mistake, they're going to pay for it, its no one else's fault except their own. As said from Andrew Ryan,

"Is a man not entitled to the sweat on his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor!'

'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'it belongs to everyone!'

'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'it belongs to God!'

I chose something different. I chose, Rapture,"

Socialism/Communism is an evil form of economic/social lifestyles that center on the whole of the people, no progress, no fallback, just mediocrity. There's no incentive to do anything outside of the box, and last time I checked, the USSR were the "bad guys" in the Cold War.

-Chillz

Grah, you ninja'd me...

I say Socialism is the way to go. We've tried capitalism, and look where we are now... Socialism is a much better idea, since it means big business can't get everything it wants

In all honesty its not the communism/socialism itself that is evil. History has shown that in most cases its the motives the leaders have that give socialism a bad rep for being "evil" and "anti-proggressive". i.e. leaders of the USSR during the mid/late 1900's.

Also, to put it more simply: Capitalism is "every man for himself", Socialism is "everyone together". I personally feel empathy for other humans, so I say that socialism is the way to go.

The thing is, lots of people calling themselves "socialists" were in fact capitalists or fascists.

As for most of Europe, they may SAY they are capitalist, but if you look at their policies they are more socialist.

How can you accuse someone of robbery, when they had to do it to live,

because they just got all their money in the bank lost when it collapsed?

You cannot just take a crime and say "it is their fault".

Also, to put it more simply: Capitalism is "every man for himself",

Socialism is "everyone together"

I personally feel empathy for other humans, so I say that socialism is the way to go.

@ChillzMaster

You sound like someone who actually works for a living. It's refreshing.

You sound like someone who actually works for a living. It's refreshing.

I think that Capitalism shows the strong and the weak and how their seperated and how they keep them seperated on the other hand Socialism gives everyone a job house and food and water without the stupid labels of wealthy or poor.

I do believe that people should be able to earn their "label", but i still do think that it is unfair that the poor should suffer with disease and lack of resources so I do think this is a good subject to talk about. Although I also think that it can't really ever be resolved as their are good sides to the two and also bad sides.

Overall I believe in Capitalism because it shows that the sides between good and bad, wealthy and poor should be earned and the people do decide how to live their life on the grounds of the decisions they make in this economy and world we live in. Even though the economy is terable I think that if people work hard to get a good education and go to a good college then they could go on to fullfill a great life with a promising job.

The economy in a socialist society is almost nothing because everyone is provided a job and everything without any choice in it, so I pick Capitalism.