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Omnihero10
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... to me nuclar power is completly fine... i dont sem to have a problem... its just common people have a frar of mutation and monster and stuff... if properly taken care of they would be okay.... what doyou think

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Omnihero10
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we dont always trust wiki some people just edit that for fun.... btw ta nuclear power is good but we will never have it ....to many people r scared of the nuclear

Kasic
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Kasic is a professional troll


??? I've only commented twice on this thread, once to say that I think we should use it but be careful, and once to tell Omnihero10 that if he took the time to spell/grammar check his posts his argument would benefit. How is that trolling? Anyways...

btw ta nuclear power is good but we will never have it


We do have it, just not a ton of it.

What about hydro-electric power? I don't feel like looking up how much that produces, but it's fairly reliable isn't it?

And nothing really comes good from nuclear power, does it?


Sure it does. It produces a lot of energy for little waste. Of course that waste is dangerous if handled incorrectly.
Omnihero10
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see some one here understands... its all good but there ar dangers. i live in arizona and you can see solar fields out here... thats a lot of power... what we need is to find a way to store it better...... like carbon tubes

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Furthermore, wind energy sounds beautiful, but it is not a constant.

What about wave energy? Wave height isn't completely constant but it's there almost all the time, depending on where you install your 'worms'.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41439000/gif/_41439944_wave_power_pelamis_inf416.gif
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Partydevil, when you can find the money to solar panelize the Ocean in a safe and secure manner


ive never said solar penals on the ocean. i said windmills on the ocean.

Also, you act as if Solar Panels are some major key to the earth.


i said to use it as a extra not the main.

Furthermore, wind energy sounds beautiful, but it is not a constant.

it doesn't have to be constant. you just store the energy in the energy grid. and on the ocean winds are always picking up because ther is nothing to hit by it.

If other alternatives are found in the course of its existence, then they can be implemented instead.


it wont happen if people keeps downgrading them and are not willing to invest in alternative energy sources at hand.

I don't think completely outlawing Nuclear power and saying 'Solar, Wind, or nothing!' is the safe way to go.


ive never said that either.

There may be enough roofs but take THE Netherlands. I think we have 150 sunny days in à year. And i think 40 of them are days while it is sunny the whole day.

So there are enough roofs but not enough sun time to provide the world of solar power.

And horizon pollution is a reason. I mean take my town. We are grown out of a beautiful fishing village with a great and amazing view from the lighthouse. And now they are planning to store over a hundred windmills in the IJsselmeer. And they won't even make profit of it.


if your place it urk then i'm srry to say but our government does not care about it. the compleet culture is going away.
anyway ive never said solar penals should be the main source but a extra source.
and i'm for the idea of windmills in the ijselmeer. it's a good alternative for a 2nd nuclear power plant.

we dont always trust wiki


the calculation i made here on the forum i did by myself. and it supports what is said on wiki. if you don't believe it then seek some other site whit the same info. (google: nuclear high-level waste)
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ive never said solar penals on the ocean. i said windmills on the ocean.


Sorry, I should have read more thoroughly.
Except, explain where these windmills would go? You'd have to devise a way to connect the harvested energy from the turbine back to mainland, which means making a vast expensive grid into the ocean, you'd have to build towering windmills that don't pick up much energy, [air being not nearly as dense as water] etc.
Wind energy is a great concept, but your idea seems too costly and difficult.





it wont happen if people keeps downgrading them and are not willing to invest in alternative energy sources at hand.


That is true, I agree with you that one, the only way alternative energy is going to get anywhere is if people give alt. energy companies a financial incentive to continue ahead.


if your place it urk then i'm srry to say but our government does not care about it. the compleet culture is going away.


Oh but you see, think of horizon pollution. If there's a home with a great view, and a home with a crappy view of windmills, which one costs more? People don't like to screw up their investments. Just saying.


Wind is not a very dense substance, it is not like the massive amount of energy created from dams. I'm not saying I don't like Wind energy, but I think it should be implemented in areas that don't use a lot of energy or or not used much at all.


it doesn't have to be constant. you just store the energy in the energy grid. and on the ocean winds are always picking up because ther is nothing to hit by it.


The energy grid isn't just some battery that can take in all the surplus energy it needs. You need a constant source of power, to some degree. I don't know of any place that solely relies on wind energy.
It might be true if your ocean windmill idea pans out, but that seems like a road far into the future to me.
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What about wave energy? Wave height isn't completely constant but it's there almost all the time, depending on where you install your 'worms'.


I was going to mention that! They don't take up a bunch of space, aren't ugly, and you can put them in all the beaches/parts of beaches nobody goes to!

The last I heard about them was a few years back so I wasn't sure if they were commercial or not, though. Wave energy sounds awesome.

[Except... What if we become reliant on it, and then some opposing communist country threatens to supernuke the moon..]
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[quoteWhat about hydro-electric power? I don't feel like looking up how much that produces, but it's fairly reliable isn't it?[/quote]
The the thing about hydro is that it floods a ton of land and destroys many ecosystems (I should know, I live in Quebec). That's the only downside. However, hydro is a massive source of power. The entire (or almost) of the province of Quebec is run on hydro (which is run by HydroQuebec).

The same company also has deals to ship the power to the US and France.


There's another form of solar energy that has a higher output and is "more" space efficient than the conventional arrays. It involves using mirrors to reflect the light onto a tower which uses the heat from the concentrated light to heat steam, which powers a turbine, etc.
Here's a link:
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6616651.stm[/url]

Kasic
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It involves using mirrors to reflect the light onto a tower which uses the heat from the concentrated light to heat steam, which powers a turbine, etc.
Here's a link:


Yes I know of those...but you have a virtual sea of mirrors in a desert or something for that. I don't think it uses less space, although it may use less space people want :P Who cares what happens to the desert right?
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if your place it urk then i'm srry to say but our government does not care about it. the compleet culture is going away.
anyway ive never said solar penals should be the main source but a extra source.
and i'm for the idea of windmills in the ijselmeer. it's a good alternative for a 2nd nuclear power plant.


Whoat. Ok. It is the same as some random old hippie comes to you and asks. Do you want to take an investment. it will cost you 1 billion dollars and you wont earn it back. It also isnt this much amount of power BUT other countries would look and say. Wow really nice done. It is ugly. The windmill park is not to save our planet it is a prestige project from our government. They want to show it to other countries. Look how much we do for the milieu, we are so good.
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explain where these windmills would go?


the ocean. up to 6 miles from the coast of countrys it's still that countrys "ground" for a 6 feet person the horizon is about 3 miles away. so if we build behind those 3 miles. no1 will be able to see these windmills clearly. if even at all.
also is building them so close the the coast both easy to get that power to the mainland. (a few mile long cabels is nothing special)

if we are going to build them in the deep ocean. (like places were oil rigs are located) then we can use the very principe of the oil rig but then working for a windmill. they energy get story in massive batterys (oil stored in tanks) and a ship comes by to get those batterys and replace them whit empty ones. also can we use the rig of a oil rig to put out windmill on so it can move and float when needed while els it is standing still. also we might be able to get those worms from hahiha's post and use them to create more energy while transporting the energy from windmills.
i hope this also answerds your 2nd question of

you'd have to devise a way to connect the harvested energy from the turbine back to mainland


investments and willpower is needed to get ideas become reality. that was also the case whit nuclear power.
people should give it a try and not cry that it is ugly (i find airplanes also ugly but it does do it's job right and we are all happy whit it.) or that it costs more. because it will cost alot less the more there is. (just like any other product on the market)

you'd have to build towering windmills that don't pick up much energy
? i don't get this line.
i'd have to build large windmills that don't producess much energy?
why do i want to to that?

Wind energy is a great concept, but your idea seems too costly and difficult.
costly only because it whold be new. get loads of them and companys will specialize in it wich will make it cheaper.
difficult. i dunno and you can't know either because it's not done.
once again i have to say that it lacks investment and willpower for it to become reality (for now).

Oh but you see, think of horizon pollution. If there's a home with a great view, and a home with a crappy view of windmills, which one costs more? People don't like to screw up their investments.

i hope my 1st part of this post gave the answerd for this =)
the ijselmeer is to small. for the windmills to be efficient enoufg if they were only building them further then 3 miles away. it has to be build whitin the 3 miles radius. so yea people from the mainland will be able to see those windmills but thats not 100% needed at other locations in the world.

Wind is not a very dense substance

it might not be dense but there is alot of power
try power-kiting or kiteboarding, you will feel yourself how easly the wind can pull you up in the air. while normaly you have no problem walking against the wind

it is not like the massive amount of energy created from dams.


that depends very much on wich dam. and how many windmills.
windmills are not ment to be used 1 for a entire city. (if it was like that then windmills was THE most cheapest energy source today)

dams are awsome and i'm realy happy that people have had the willpower to create those things. however you can't build a dam evrywere. the landscape must be right for it. also do dams do massive damage to the land behind the dam. but at the same time creating a new place for other animals. so yea i like dams and they are a good thing.

but I think it should be implemented in areas that don't use a lot of energy
they should be build in a area whit not much people and then send the energy to big citys.

The energy grid isn't just some battery that can take in all the surplus energy it needs. You need a constant source of power
i ment the energy grid that is getting used by some country. at those grids there is always energy going through. windmills can simply add their energy to those grids.

I don't know of any place that solely relies on wind energy.
beside some houses that have a huge windmill in the garden there is no such place and windmills are not ment to be used that way. windmills are like solar penels to be used in combination whit other energy sources.
for now. maybe 1 of those 2 technologies can be improven so much that it can make enoufg energy on it's own 1 day. (or a other source wich we can't think of yet)
this is however more likely to happen whit solar penels then whit windmills. windmills are like realy old amd so is the technology. but it has great potentional so who knows? (no1)

but that seems like a road far into the future to me

and the future is what we do it for. save the future from a polluted earth. beter start today if it takes so long then to wait another 50 years 1st and then start the long process of saving the earth.


anyway i hope you see now that i'm not for 100% use of solar energy only or 100% use of wind energy only or 100% water energy only. i'm for a combination of those untill we have improved technologie in 1 of them or 1 wich we didn't discuss. (if it never improofs then a combination for ever =))

also am i for a ban against the build of new nuclear power stations
if we ban that then we will force people (scientists, governnments and energy companies) to change to "green" energy.(sure some go coal mining. if that realy becomes a issue because they all do it and no1 go's "green" then we can ban those aswel but thats later and a big IF) all the nuclear power stations that are out there now can still be running as they want to. untill it's simply not safe anymore because the power plant became to old. (no restoring them either (except when you are going to close the plant after and you don't want it to leak after it gets closed))
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They want to show it to other countries. Look how much we do for the milieu, we are so good.

it's a alternative for building a 2nd nuclear power station. that project and a same project on the northsea (near zeeland) aswell as solar penels in groningen (or 1 of those other northern provinces)
together they should make enoufg energy in all parts of our country so we don't need that 2nd nuclear power station. i'm not sure tho that those other 2 projects are still going on because of the financial crisis europe and the rest of the world is in at the moment. but it's good to see atleast that power station is not coming anymore =D
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I rather have a nuclear power plant in my backyard than that fugly windmill everywhere I go.
And what about the fish and other animals that whil die during the building stage.

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Those undersea cables you're talking about need a lot of maintenance and repair, considering current economies in the world, not many can afford that kind of expense, especially because it's a long term investment.

As for nuclear plants, provided that the proper safety precautions are taken, and there isn't any danger of radioactive waste leaking into surrounding areas, I don't see why there should be a problem, although I would suggest that multiple reactors not be put into the same area.

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It is the same as some random old hippie comes to you and asks. Do you want to take an investment. it will cost you 1 billion dollars and you wont earn it back.


did the government ever ask you to buy a house there or to invest in your place? i don't think our government is doing those kinda things.

other countries would look and say. Wow really nice done. It is ugly.

it's ugly and efficient just like a airplane.
also will it become a tourist attration since we are 1 of the 1st and the netherlands is known for it's water management and projects. and this project fits right in. creating more money from it then only the energy

The windmill park is not to save our planet

ofcours it isn't our country is to small to be able to make such a change. however we can show other countrys how it can be done on a small scale.

I rather have a nuclear power plant in my backyard than that ugly windmill everywhere

looks like it's time for you to move your ars to zeeland then =)
it's not like we care about urk, they have been complaining about evrything ever since we made flevoland. it doesn't realy bother us anymore. you could say we are used to the complains from urk by now. =)
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