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zakyman
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For all of you who have not been following the news this past 5 hours, Troy Davis is a man who was convicted on the testimony of nine witnesses of murdering a police officer in Georgia. During the trial, not one shred of physical evidence was entered, and as of now, seven out of the nine witnesses have recanted their testimony because they claim the police coerced them. Davis is now either in a holding cell or on a gurney, with an IV in his arm, waiting to either be executed or to have a stay implemented, his fourth.
My question to Armor Games is whether or not Troy Davis should be executed, have a stay implemented, or have a new trial, and whether or not the death penalty in America should be abolished, or if the system needs cleaning up.

FYI, I think he should get a new trial and that the system needs some cleaning up.

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dair5
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So the verdict isn't over? Well I'm not sure. We can't prove he's guilty. But we also can't exactly say he's innocent with 2 witnesses to the crime. What's his argument against it? Can you provide a link about it please. But I also agre on getting the system cleaned up. This has been going on for 20 years. I think it's time for a final decision.

zakyman
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Breaking News: The Supreme Court just denied his appeal for a stay. The execution will commence in about 30 minutes.

We can't prove he's guilty. But we also can't exactly say he's innocent with 2 witnesses to the crime.


The only important part is that the state can't prove he is guilty. Davis did not need to prove innocence at all.



This is a link to a CNN blog about the events of today.
delossantosj
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So the verdict isn't over? Well I'm not sure. We can't prove he's guilty. But we also can't exactly say he's innocent with 2 witnesses to the crime. What's his argument against it? Can you provide a link about it please. But I also agre on getting the system cleaned up. This has been going on for 20 years. I think it's time for a final decision.


it doesnt matter then. this is the point, in america its innocent untill proven guilty, and if he has no evidence proving him guilty, then he isnt guilty and shouldnt be convicted. there was no physical evidence and 7 out of the 9 say what they testified was BS.
zakyman
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Ladies and Gents, I am going to go to bed soon. I would like just now to post one more time before this grave miscarriage of justice, in the form of the upcoming execution.

First, my heart goes out to the family of the victim. You did not deserve this, and I hope that one day, the real killer is exposed, and convicted.

Second, to the family of Troy Davis; you are the sufferers of an unbearable tragedy. Nothing will ever replace your loss, however you must remember that in these times, you will be looked at for guidance. Do not choose the violent path. That will only lead to more undue suffering.

Third, to Troy Davis; my deepest regrets that you are in your final minutes of your life. I will say Kaddish for you.

To the American Justice System; you are collectively the worse failures this world has ever seen. You manage to set high levels of proof, but then when a prosecutor dupes a jury, you refuse to examen the facts, and only play politics. Hopefully this will cause some serious reform.

My final thing I would like to post is the Mourner's Kaddish, and the Sh'ma, a prayer commonly said before death by Jews.

Sh'ma Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu, Adonai Echad. Baruch Shem K'vod Malchuto L'olam Va'ed.

Hear O Israel, Adonai is our God, Adonai is One. Blessed be the Name of His Exalted Kingship for Ever and Ever.


Yit-gadal v'yit-kadash sh'may raba b'alma dee-v'ra che-ru-tay, ve'yam-lich mal-chutay b'chai-yay-chon uv'yo-may-chon uv-cha-yay d'chol beit Yisrael, ba-agala u'vitze-man ka-riv, ve'imru amen.
Y'hay sh'may raba me'varach le-alam uleh-almay alma-ya.

Yit-barach v'yish-tabach, v'yit-pa-ar v'yit-romam v'yit-nasay, v'yit-hadar v'yit-aleh v'yit-halal sh'may d'koo-d'shah, b'rich hoo. layla meen kol beer-chata v'she-rata, toosh-b'chata v'nay-ch'mata, da-a meran b'alma, ve'imru amen.

Y'hay sh'lama raba meen sh'maya v'cha-yim aleynu v'al kol Yisrael, ve'imru amen.

O'seh shalom beem-romav, hoo ya'ah-seh shalom aleynu v'al kol Yisrael, ve'imru amen.


Magnified and sanctified be G-d's great name in the world which He created according to His will. May he establish His kingdom during our lifetime and during the lifetime of Israel. Let us say, Amen.
May G-d's great name be blessed forever and ever.

Blessed, glorified, honored and extolled, adored and acclaimed be the name of the Holy One, though G-d is beyond all praises and songs of adoration which can be uttered. Let us say, Amen.

May there be peace and life for all of us and for all Israel. Let us say, Amen.

Let He who makes peace in the heavens, grant peace to all of us and to all Israel. Let us say, Amen.

Rest In Peace Troy Davis, and may your memory be a blessing to all of those who look for peace.

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I just read about it in the newspaper.

No, he shouldn't have been executed. He shouldn't even be in prison from what I've read.

The death sentence should be abolished because it's inhumane IMO and also way to expensive.

I also have a question for you guys: Do you think that it mattered that he was black? I read that there are way more black people in the death row although the number of murderers/rapists with white and black skin is about the same.

delossantosj
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Do you think that it mattered that he was black?


absolutely, when he was convicted, it was the 80's and people still weren't as tolerant as we are now, and there was an all white jury. it is VERY VERY clear that there was not enough evidence to prove he did anything and yet they convicted him anyway.

I read that there are way more black people in the death row although the number of murderers/rapists with white and black skin is about the same.


this is a problem in colorado. black people seem to be profiled a lot more. which brings up the question, how do we solve it? it is a difficult question that cannot be easily answered.


as for capital punishment, its a double standard. "this person killed this person, so we shall show people that killing is wrong by killing him anyways". its to expensive, and again, especially in troys case, its sort of like a "how POSITIVE can you be". this is someones life at stake.

i believe that a question was brought up to republican rick perry in a debate. him being the governer of texas, they have capital punishment legal. the question was (though i cant remember the exact stat im pretty sure this is right or atleast close)

"your state has executed 234 death row inmates, more than any other governer in modern times, have you struggled to sleep at night with the idea that any one of those might have been innocent?â

he of course went on to say no he didnt of course. but thats horse ****. 234?! and NONE of those men couldnt POSSIBLY innocent. again, how POSITIVE can you be?
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and there was an all white jury.


Yeah, because seven black people and five white people is totally an all-white jury . . . .

I'm on the side of Troy being acquitted because of the overwhelming presence of reasonable doubt, but that doesn't mean I'll exempt you from fact-checking if you're wrong! Pew pew
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this is a problem in colorado. black people seem to be profiled a lot more. which brings up the question, how do we solve it? it is a difficult question that cannot be easily answered.

Perhaps put a curtain in front of the defendants, witnesses, and prosecutors so race or other things won't be factors?

he of course went on to say no he didnt of course. but thats horse ****. 234?! and NONE of those men couldnt POSSIBLY innocent. again, how POSITIVE can you be?

I read somewhere that at least 4 of those were found innocent too late.
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pfff, cops kill people all the time and it's not a big deal. Billionaires kill people all the time and it's not a big deal. It's only a big deal if you are not rich or if you are not a cop. Anyways, the government should make a TV show out of executions. It seems to be something people there like.

dair5
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pfff, cops kill people all the time and it's not a big deal. Billionaires kill people all the time and it's not a big deal. It's only a big deal if you are not rich or if you are not a cop. Anyways, the government should make a TV show out of executions. It seems to be something people there like.


Yeah but cops usally do it out of self defense. Which is why we need to implement more pepper ball guns and stuff like that. I'm also against the death penalty. It's hard to tell people something is wrong and then your do it. Because for some reason it's okay when you do it.
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If your firing at a cop i really think you should get shot. I didn't say killed, I said shot. If people know that police are carrying pepper ball guns, same with rubber bullets, instead of real guns they will be more bold in their crimes. This is totally off the Troy topic and my heart goes out to his family.

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and there was an all white jury.

Yeah, because seven black people and five white people is totally an all-white jury . . .


It doesn't get much whiter then that.
dair5
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After what I've read it doesn't seem like he should have been convivted. It's terrible that racism got him into a 20 year situation and even after all that time he was still found guilty.

delossantosj
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touche alt.... touche.

while i may be wrong on that, it still doesnt change my mind that 1. capitol punishment is stupid, and 2. troy was not guilty.

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This was a very sad story... I feel really bad for his family. :/

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