For all of you who have not been following the news this past 5 hours, Troy Davis is a man who was convicted on the testimony of nine witnesses of murdering a police officer in Georgia. During the trial, not one shred of physical evidence was entered, and as of now, seven out of the nine witnesses have recanted their testimony because they claim the police coerced them. Davis is now either in a holding cell or on a gurney, with an IV in his arm, waiting to either be executed or to have a stay implemented, his fourth. My question to Armor Games is whether or not Troy Davis should be executed, have a stay implemented, or have a new trial, and whether or not the death penalty in America should be abolished, or if the system needs cleaning up.
FYI, I think he should get a new trial and that the system needs some cleaning up.
while i may be wrong on that, it still doesnt change my mind that 1. capitol punishment is stupid, and 2. troy was not guilty.
I can't believe I'm playing devil's advocate here, but capitol punishment is necessary. you think killing people is expensive, lets see if it's cheaper paying for all of their amenities when they are serving their life sentence.
troy definitely wasn't guilty, and I feel sorry for that fact. we do have a lot of problems in our justice system, but sometimes it's the D.A. (when he's being lobbied, or sees "justice" should be placed above a man's life) who is at fault. if you want to solve these problems, become the D.A. of wherever you live and do something about it.
my condolences to troy's family, may you find peace.
I can't believe I'm playing devil's advocate here, but capitol punishment is necessary. you think killing people is expensive, lets see if it's cheaper paying for all of their amenities when they are serving their life sentence.
So because it's cheaper makes it necessary? If it was really all about saving/making money from prisoners, they'd have arena fights and stuff like old world gladiator matches. Not saying that's good morally, but from an economic standpoint, it makes more sense than paying money for drugs to kill them.
I can't believe I'm playing devil's advocate here, but capitol punishment is necessary. you think killing people is expensive, lets see if it's cheaper paying for all of their amenities when they are serving their life sentence.
We had this topic several times here. The cost of the death penalty is much higher than a life sentence because of the expensive trial. If you want me to I can provide you with some links.
Is that the cost of the trial included, or just the lethal injection?
Inclusive trial. The lethal injection alone doesn't cost really much.
The cost of a death sentence is 3 TIMES that of life imprisonment.
Wrong. Lethal injection costs about $83.
Bureaucracy is an entirely different matter. The trial and appeal process (which Davis went through) can cost as much as a million dollars. The overwhelming cost is already often a deterrent, even here in Texas where most capital murder defendants receive life sentences. Only the jury can sentence to death, not the judge.
Whether or not this is a miscarriage of justice is no longer relevant. He's dead, get over it. Innocent people die everyday, and plenty of guilty ones do too.
People would actually fear the death penalty if they shot them on the courthouse steps. Too bad the hippies think humans aren't innately homicidal maniacs, and therefore don't like it when executions happen.
Despite my half sarcastic remark, I would rather enjoy an execution on the courthouse steps. People would think twice before raping and murdering two women or robbing a man for $14 and deciding that man is no longer fit for life. The death penalty serves no purpose whatsoever besides deterrent, and our application of it completely misses the point.
Not to sound like an arrogant or bloodthirsty prick, but Mr. Davis should have been dead long ago, along with the rest of his death row brethren.
Not to sound like an arrogant or bloodthirsty prick, but Mr. Davis should have been dead long ago, along with the rest of his death row brethren.
You are aware that Troy Davis was innocent?
My stance on capital punishment vs. life in jail is quite simple: whichever one is cheaper. I think that as soon as you take someone else's life, you give up your own right to live.
Whether or not this is a miscarriage of justice is no longer relevant. He's dead, get over it. Innocent people die everyday, and plenty of guilty ones do too.
That is one of the most absurd statements I have ever heard. Do you think that Davis's family will "get over it?" You say innocent people die every day, and while that is true, none of them are killed in legal lynchings. This was one of those cases. Race was one of the biggest factors, and without a shred of physical evidence besides faulty ballistics, this executions was one of the most illegal ones carried out in the country by the government.
Not to sound like an arrogant or bloodthirsty prick, but Mr. Davis should have been dead long ago, along with the rest of his death row brethren.
I guess that you were sitting in on the trial when he was sentenced to death, and you obviously know all about the evidence, the "witness testimony," and all of the junk the prosecution presented. Also, you for SURE sat through all of the appeal hearings, listened to every word of the arguments, read all of the motions, and watched as time after time perfectly reasonable appeals were shot down by a court unable to see past its own gavel.
No one is innocent. Innocent until proven guilty is a lie, in the eyes of the law, the media, and society at large.
I guess that you were sitting in on the trial when he was sentenced to death, and you obviously know all about the evidence, the "witness testimony," and all of the junk the prosecution presented. Also, you for SURE sat through all of the appeal hearings, listened to every word of the arguments, read all of the motions, and watched as time after time perfectly reasonable appeals were shot down by a court unable to see past its own gavel.
We wouldn't be having this discussion if he would have been executed then, would we? I'm pretty sure, just as now you think he is innocent, when he was convicted you would have thought him guilty. People are fickle and don't live long enough to be resolute.
That is one of the most absurd statements I have ever heard. Do you think that Davis's family will "get over it?" You say innocent people die every day, and while that is true, none of them are killed in legal lynchings. This was one of those cases. Race was one of the biggest factors, and without a shred of physical evidence besides faulty ballistics, this executions was one of the most illegal ones carried out in the country by the government.
Somebody has to pay. At least, that's what the justice system thinks. I have no opinion on the case itself, I couldn't care less. He wasn't the man to cure cancer, was he? To figure out how to travel intergalactically? Why should we care if he lives or dies?
To play the devil's advocate here: Somebody thought he was guilty. We weren't there, we don't know. Media hype and false testimony, or testimony at all, are not grounds for us to determine guilt or innocence. The supreme court must have figured him guilty, all three of his appeals, the trial itself, and clearly the jury did. They sentenced him to death, not the court. Only a jury can do that, and the jury must have thought that he was suited for death.
I'm going with the law, because the law is always right, even when it's wrong.
I think that as soon as you take someone else's life, you give up your own right to live.
Your totally right, but wait! That means we have to kill the people that killed the criminal who killed the victim. But then we would have to the kill the people that killed the people that killed the criminal that killed the victim. And so on.
My stance on capital punishment vs. life in jail is quite simple: whichever one is cheaper.
You know what would be really cheap? No Judicial system. We would just send cops with machine guns, spray an undesirable crowd and there you go, everyone is dead and everyone is happy.
You know what would be really cheap? No Judicial system. We would just send cops with machine guns, spray an undesirable crowd and there you go, everyone is dead and everyone is happy.
My stance on capital punishment vs. life in jail is quite simple: whichever one is cheaper. I think that as soon as you take someone else's life, you give up your own right to live.
cause thats the way to do it. promote that killing is wrong by killing the killers.... *tthumbs up*
whatever is cheaper is also a valid argument on boths ends, im sure that some people could use that against me if life sentences become more expensive.
but again, this is someones life at stake here. can you really be THAT sure, that
No one is innocent. Innocent until proven guilty is a lie, in the eyes of the law, the media, and society at large.
you can say that all you want untill something unjust happens to you and you have no way of proving you "didnt do it". sending innocent people to death is WAAAAy worse then lettingg a guilty man go free.
