NOTE: This is not an anti religion post, simply a philosophical and age old debate.
Ok, so very very basically, here is an issue with the typical Christian view of God, a view shared by other religions, aside, however.
God is all good God is all powerful (omnipotent) God is all knowing
If God is all good, then why does he make evil things happen? Why does he create murderers and tsunamis?
Some say God creates us with the choice to do good and bad that we may have free will.
So, in this case God creates us without knowing if we'll choose to be good or bad people, or even if we will believe in him/her.
So God doesn't know if we're going to be good or bad, so God is not all knowing.
BUT - Imagine we still want to hold that he his all knowing, i.e he knows everything about everything. This means God creates us knowing that we're going to be good or bad people, this means that he condemns those he creates bad to a life of sin and ultimately hell, so he can't be all Good.
BUT - if we want to still hold that he is all good, then there must be another reason murderers and tsunamis exist, but what? Maybe God created the world, and is not powerful enough to intervene. Then God is no longer all-powerful. Either that or he is powerful enough to intervene, and simply doesn't want to, in which case he is not all good. What do you think about all this?
sorry for double post.... lol im slow i just understood what you meant by energy XP. its a good point but since its god it doesnt really matter how much energy is needed
@thebluerabbit: When i said you I meant you and whoever else wanted to answer. =P
I think god is probably a spirit of some sort but i am not certain. I kind of want to make another thread about this, but i will ask anyway:
Does anybody think that there are other Earths out there with humans and god is looking at which Earth preforms the best? I wondered about that earlier when i was reading an article that dealt with the billions of different galaxies. This is assuming of course that you believe in god.
Could you explain me what you mean by this, because if the person cant make a decision, then it havent a free will
i never said it cant make a decision. a person who is innocent can make any decision he wants to. but he wont decide to kill someone. its that simple. you wouldnt kill, but that doesnt mean you dont have free will right?
I dont believe god is a creature with flesh and blood. So this doesnt make sense to me ^^
awww come on you know what i meant XP. change lift with make levitate then ok? XD
If there indeed is a god(which I believe there is,stating this from now),then I'm sure he isn't like we picture himld,wise look and gray beard... I believe that it isn't possible for a human creature to understand how god looks like...
Also:Another possible scenario,is that "God" was an idea certain people used in the past in order to: 1. Keep everything under control. If a king had people killing others or vandalizing his territory,all he had to do is make up a story about God,and how we will all go straight to hell if we don't do as he says,aka don't kill,don't steal etc. So no more problems for the king. Most trouble-makers will follow these rules,as an eternal life in pain is too much of a risk. 2. Raise the population's morale. People need something to believe in, and if someone told them that there was life after death,they'd believe that at the same moment,and they'd offer you to be their leader most likely.
there are many different reasons people could have just invent a god. making money from it (which many people do from what ive heard here) and just have other people to be with.
Also, the first BIG religion was the Catholic Church that had stakes in every aspect of European life. If you wanted to be a successful ruler, you needed to be friends with the church. That was the only way to run a good kingdom. If you broke ties with them, you would be ousted fairly quickly. I think religion was given way too much power back then. The crusades are a good example of that. Yes, the Vatican make bank every year. They are one of the richest organizations in the world.
But what if the person want to kill. Remember it up to him to decide, if he got the free will.
we all want things but dont do them... we are not pure (most of us i guess...?). you might want to go to that woman and do it with her but im guessing your not going to do it like that.
So what you asking me is. what did came first the chicken or the egg? You just asked it in another way ^^
pretty much, only that i used the word god and that it will make religios people angry XP.
besides i have my own answer for the chiken/egg question even though i cant answer my question XD
God being all powerful and all good would then prevent such things from happening. Otherwise God is either unable to prevent these events (not all powerful), unwilling to prevent such events (not all good), or doesn't know the occur (not all knowing).
"God is testing us"
This argument fails as the point of a test is for the tester to find out something. If God is all knowing then any test he gives humans would be completely pointless as he would already know the outcome. So this leaves us with a God who is either not all good or not all knowing.
"God gave us free will and we chose to do this."
As a perfect being we would choose to not do the wrong things, even if we had the free will to be able to make those choices. Since we do this would mean God was either unable or unwilling to make us perfect. (either not all powerful or not all good)
"Bad has to exist so we can tell the difference between the two"
If we had a neutral state we could make a base line comparison to that instead of requiring a negative state to make a comparison to. (This could mean God was either unable, unwilling or didn't know such a system without evil could exist.)
A man who gonna kill his entire familly in a week.
He is on hes way home from work. You can choose to kill him in car accident now to prevent his entire familly get killed, or let him live.
If you kill him now, then it means you killed a innocent man. If you dont kill him now, then it means his familly will get killed. If you kill him after he killed his familly, then it to late.
Being all knowing I would know exactly what I could say to him to talk him out of doing this action. Being all powerful I could take him to a place or put him in a situation where he could never reach his family, without killing him. Being all knowing and all good I would be compelled to intervene before such a disaster happened.
If the chicken did come first,and there were 2 chickens in the whole world(in order for te species to survive),how in the world did they meet? They would have to search the whole world... :P jk ofcourse.
