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thepunisher93
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As you know things have been going for muslims for last decade.All the discrimination and hatred they have been facing.
Led to the rise of the term Islamophobia.
What r ur thoughts on it.

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partydevil
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why do my posts whit few word get deleted almost instandly but his never xD

he made like 4 of those useless comments that is not a reply to anyone or provides anything for the topic.

why did my valid question get denied only to agrue whit him? it's not going anywhere anyway.

AsianBrandon
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never heard of it till now, thats bad news

Dewi1066
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To be islamophobic suggests that someone hates islam as a religion or has an irrational fear about it.

What people fear is religious fanatics who commit atrocities in the name of their religion, which is a rational fear. The religious leaning of the fanatic is irrelevant.

The IRA had a sustained campaign against the English (some argue it is about to start again), but it didn't spawn Catholicophobia (and for the pedantic, it's an amalgamation of two words for the sake of argument, not something I can provide links or references to) or any such words. Ordinary people feared being hurt by a bomb rather than by the religion of the people who planted the bomb.

thepunisher93
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To be islamophobic suggests that someone hates islam as a religion or has an irrational fear about it.

What people fear is religious fanatics who commit atrocities in the name of their religion, which is a rational fear. The religious leaning of the fanatic is irrelevant.

The IRA had a sustained campaign against the English (some argue it is about to start again), but it didn't spawn Catholicophobia (and for the pedantic, it's an amalgamation of two words for the sake of argument, not something I can provide links or references to) or any such words. Ordinary people feared being hurt by a bomb rather than by the religion of the people who planted the bomb.

actually englishs and their accomplices commited war crimes against catholics in 1920 IRA wars.
See wikipedia for source.
nichodemus
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actually englishs and their accomplices commited war crimes against catholics in 1920 IRA wars.
See wikipedia for source.


He probably knows that; what he was stating was that even though the Catholic IRA carried out terrorist activities in Northern Ireland, it didn't lead to a phobia of Catholics, but rather a fear of the bombs set off by the terrorists. I think this is attributed in part because both the Catholics and Protestants have at least a similar origin or bear quite close similarities in that they are both branches of Christianity. Islamophobia is more apparent in other nations because for some, it is a wholly different religion.
Dewi1066
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actually englishs and their accomplices commited war crimes against catholics in 1920 IRA wars.
See wikipedia for source.


One of the problems with relying on Wikipedia is it is an incomplete history lesson. The problems between the English and the Irish go back a lot further, further than the Battle of the Boyne is 1690 where the Protestant William battled with the Catholic James.

The history wasn't my point. My point was that the majority fear being caught up in something that has nothing to do with them, the religion of the aggressor means very little. I've just been to the site of a 1990's IRA bomb, it was in my local town centre. There was no reason for the people who died to die, they were not to blame for the decisions made throughout history, nor the decisions of their government.

I don't see there is any justification for the use of terrorism by any religious group but at the same time, anyone who tarnishes an entire religion just because of the religious fanatics is a few screws short of a complete shelf. It's the minority who commit atrocities, whether that be governments or terrorist cells, and it is the minority who blames an entire race or religion. The majority are happy to get along with their lives, hoping they don't get caught in the middle.
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I don't see there is any justification for the use of terrorism by any religious group but at the same time, anyone who tarnishes an entire religion just because of the religious fanatics is a few screws short of a complete shelf. It's the minority who commit atrocities, whether that be governments or terrorist cells, and it is the minority who blames an entire race or religion. The majority are happy to get along with their lives, hoping they don't get caught in the middle.


Even if only the minority committed such a crime, if they did it whilst chanting God's name such as the Orthodox Serbs and Catholic Croats in the former Yugoslavia, clearly there is also something wrong with religion in that it can spawn such hatred and terror. Furthermore, just to use the Bible as an example, the number of cases where God kills, or commands others to kill unbelievers is astounding; we can't simply say that because the majority doesn't practice it, such books don't condone such acts, which it states rather bluntly and frankly.
Dewi1066
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The majority wouldn't dream of taking a religious book seriously if it was commanding them to go out and kill non-believers, but the minority read things literally or use written words (which in all likelyhood have altered so much through the years that they are unrecognisable from the original texts) to commit crimes against innocent people.

You only have to look at the murder of Jamie Bulger here in the UK, a horrific murder of a young toddler, which at the time was blamed on the film Chuckie. The film didn't kill the child, two other children killed him because they got warped ideas into their head. Perhaps the film influenced them, perhaps not... but just because a minority have misinterpreted or been influenced, does not mean all films of that type are evil or there is something wrong with them. Like wise with religious books. It is down to the small groups or individuals who take things to extremes rather than the religion or the books from that religion.

Similar can be said about islamophobia... minority groups will use the fact that some terrorists are Muslim as an excuse to commit violence or spread hatred. Some minority groups will use the same excuse if someone happens to be gay, if someone is of a different skin colour or even if someone is the opposite sex. That doesn't speak for the majority and it doesn't condemn the West just because a few groups want an excuse to persecute other groups.

Unfortunately with our media being the way it is, the minority voices are given far too much air time in order to sensationalise the story and earn the big media companies money. If the majority view was aired in our media, it would be quite a boring read as the majority are law-abiding, peaceful and don't go around looking for excuses to start a fight.

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The majority wouldn't dream of taking a religious book seriously if it was commanding them to go out and kill non-believers, but the minority read things literally or use written words (which in all likelyhood have altered so much through the years that they are unrecognisable from the original texts) to commit crimes against innocent people.


The majority hasn't thankfully, but the minority did, and because their sacred texts say so. It's disgraceful that people still believe it, because they feel it's God sanctioned. Again, because the majority didn't do it, doesn't refute the fact that religion has dictated such vile beliefs.

And in this case, unlike the film the majority didn't interpret it correctly, the minority did by taking religion as presented to them as the truth. What the majority does is to square the circle, they keep trying to fit in their beliefs with the changing social values of the rest of society, yet still cling on pitifully to their religion whilst they themselves go back against the book.

And just to state again, unlike the film which only influences, the Bible actually commands people to kill infidels, or at least shows that God condones and is fine with it.
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Good point and I agree it is a disgrace.

One thing that has surprised me is the double standards presented in discussions with friends about the Bible in particular. Most would agree that murder is wrong, but then given certain circumstances, murder seems acceptable if it comes under an eye for an eye. Like wise, most would preach peace and understanding, yet then claim homosexuality to be against God and instruct me that those practising same sex relationships aren't welcome in heaven. The Bible appears to be rife with contradictions.

I was once mentored by a business woman who told me that a sure fire way to fail in my relationships with customers was to discuss religion or politics with them. She was right for the most part as I've lost customers over what I thought were interesting discussions, but they took offence to.

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I was once mentored by a business woman who told me that a sure fire way to fail in my relationships with customers was to discuss religion or politics with them. She was right for the most part as I've lost customers over what I thought were interesting discussions, but they took offence to.


My mum taught me the same thing about friends. And I don't mind losing friends, especially those who constantly pester you to change religion or I will spend an eternity in hell.

The Bible appears to be rife with contradictions.


I know that many adherents have only compassion but the Church is immensely corrupt and manipulative over its flock and the spread of knowledge, it has ended up in a near celestial dictatorship. As Hitchens said, Religion poisons all.
Dewi1066
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Key word there... 'our'.

Sorry, but I didn't sanction bombing the c£%$ out of a country on the other side of the world. I didn't approve a war on the basis that there may be training camps in a country somewhere.

Lets get this 'our' straight... governments make decisions on our behalf, and despite our protests, they go ahead and send troops. Once our troops are there, they are our brothers, our fathers and our friends, so we have little or no choice but to support them.

So 'our' response is not one of punish a nation or people for the minorities actions, but the response that we must thank the people who are told to do the job that our governments instruct them to do.

What nations need to understand is that the people are not the enemy, it is those who make ridiculous foreign policy. If my family died because of a terrorist act, I wouldn't blame a country, a race or religion... I'd blame the terrorist. My family have never done any harm, nor will they, but they are at risk every day because of posturing and religious intolerance.

Stupid, just stupid!

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What nations need to understand is that the people are not the enemy, it is those who make ridiculous foreign policy. If my family died because of a terrorist act, I wouldn't blame a country, a race or religion... I'd blame the terrorist. My family have never done any harm, nor will they, but they are at risk every day because of posturing and religious intolerance.

If I lose some ne in a drone attack, I will probably retatliate in any possible way, as I will know who is responsible for it.
Dewi1066
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And who is responsible for it? Who do you suppose is accountable?

The soldier who prepared the drone for launch? The commander who ordered the drone to be prepared? The manufacturer who made the drone?

Who?

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The country who ordered the strike.

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