The wars in Isreal I fear will never end because there will always be people who think that there opinion is right and that the only way to resolve it is to fight to gain control. Plus some people are raised in terriorist comunnities so they might not know right from wrong.
Which is why there needs to be peace. If Israel were negotiating with people like Nicho, there would be peace, and both sided would go home unhappy (a good compromise). Unfortunately, the people who are negotiating are the Punishers of the two sides, so nothing gets done.
finally some sense talk from your side (claping sounds)
[quote] Which is why there needs to be peace. If Israel were negotiating with people like Nicho, there would be peace, and both sided would go home unhappy (a good compromise). Unfortunately, the people who are negotiating are the Punishers of the two sides, so nothing gets done.
finally some sense talk from your side (claping sounds) [/quote]
Which is why there needs to be peace. If Israel were negotiating with people like Nicho, there would be peace, and both sided would go home unhappy (a good compromise). Unfortunately, the people who are negotiating are the Punishers of the two sides, so nothing gets done.
I agree, but in order for there to be compromise, one or the other has to be willing to compromise. since neither side is willing, then this is more or less a perpetual stalemate.
I think that Israel is a great country that deserves to thrive and we should bomb their enemies in defense of them. They are not only fighting for their religion they are fighting for their people. They might be one of our few true allies and friends.
Katya and Sayanin: A Katya is a Jewish spy. The Sayanin are those Jews resident in the host nation who provide support and assistance to the spies in their missions. In 1979 an ex-CIA official said âMossad can go to any distinguished American Jew and ask for help.â (9/3/1979, Newsweek) Some years ago an analysis of the Forbes list of billionaires found that almost 40% were Jews. Did they have some assistance from Jerusalem in acquiring their money? Were the 200 Israeli spies expelled after 9/11 the only spies they have in this country? If it were any other country and we caught 200 spies what would we have done? Why did the spy story only run on one network? Why did the spy story disappear from the Fox News website? As Jews make up about 2% of our population and blacks make up about 14% there should be 6 times as many black spies as there are Jewish spies wouldnât you think? I canât think of any black spies.
1947. Information collected by the ADL in its spy operations on US citizens is used by the House Select Committee on Unamerican Activities. Subcommittee Chair Clare Hoffman dismisses the ADLâs reports on suspected communists as hearsay.â
1950 John Davitt, former chief of the Justice Departmentâs internal security section notes that the Israeli intelligence service is the second most active in the United States after the Soviets.
1954 A hidden microphone planted by the Israelis is discovered in the Office of the US Ambassador in Tel Aviv.
1956 Telephone taps are found connected to two telephones in the residence of the US military attach in Tel Aviv.
1954 âThe Lavon Affairâ. Israeli agents recruit Egyptian citizens of Jewish descent to bomb Western targets in Egypt, and plant evidence to frame Arabs, in an apparent attempt to upset US-Egyptian relations. Israeli defense minister Pinchas Lavon is eventually removed from office, though many think real responsibility lay with David Ben-Gurion.
1965 Israel apparently illegally obtains enriched uranium from NUMEC Corporation. ( Washington Post, 6/5/86, Charles R. Babcock, âUS an Intelligence Target of the Israelis, Officials Say.â)
1967 Israel attacks the USS Liberty, an intelligence gathering vessel flying a US flag, killing 34 crew members. See âAssault on the Liberty,â by James M. Ennes, Jr. (Random House). In 2004, Captain Ward Boston, Senior Legal Counsel for the Navyâs Court of Inquiry into the attack swears under oath that President Lyndon Johnson ordered the investigation to conclude accident, even though the evidence indicates the attack was deliberate. Given the use by Israel of unmarked boats and planes, and the machine-gunning of USS Libertyâs lifeboats, the most likely explanation is that USS Liberty was to be sunk with all hands, with evidence left to frame Egypt for the sinking. This would have dragged theUS into the war on Israelâs side.
1970 While working for Senator Henry âScoopâ Jackson, Richard Perle is caught by the FBI giving classified information to Israel. Nothing is done.
1978, Stephen Bryen, then a Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffer, is overheard in a DC hotel offering confidential documents to top Israeli military officials. Bryen obtains a lawyer, Nathan Lewin, and the case heads for the grand jury, but is mysteriously dropped. Bryen later goes to work for Richard Perle.
1979 Shin Beth [the Israeli internal security agency] tries to penetrate the US Consulate General in Jerusalem through a âHoney Trapâ, using a clerical employee who was having an affair with a Jerusalem girl.
1985 The New York Times reports the FBI is aware of at least a dozen incidents in which American officials transferred classified information to the Israelis, quoting [former Assistant Director of the F.B.I.] Mr. [Raymond] Wannal. The Justice Department does not prosecute.
1985 Richard Smyth, the owner of MILCO, is indicted on charges of smuggling nuclear timing devices to Israel ( Washington Post, 10/31/86).
1987 April 24 Wall Street Journal headline: âRole of Israel in Iran-Contra Scandal Wonât be Explored in Detail by Panelsâ
1992 The Wall Street Journal reports that Israeli agents apparently tried to steal Recon Optical Incâs top-secret airborne spy-camera system.
1992 Stephen Bryen, caught offering confidential documents to Israel in 1978, is serving on board of the pro-Israeli Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs while continuing as a paid consultant â" with security clearance â" on exports of sensitive US technology.
1992 âThe Samson Option,â by Seymour M. Hersh reports, illicitly obtained intelligence was flying so voluminously from LAKAM into Israeli intelligence that a special code name, JUMBO, was added to the security markings already on the documents. There were strict orders, Ari Ben-Menashe recalled: âAnything marked JUMBO was not supposed to be discussed with your American counterparts.â
1993. The ADL is caught operating a massive spying operation on critics of Israel, Arab-Americans, the San Francisco Labor Council, ILWU Local 10, Oakland Educational Association, NAACP, Irish Northern Aid, International Indian Treaty Council, the Asian Law Caucus and the San Francisco police. Data collected was sent to Israel and in some cases to South Africa. Pressure from Jewish organizations forces the city to drop the criminal case, but the ADL settles a civil lawsuit for an undisclosed sum of cash.
1995 The Defense Investigative Service circulates a memo warning US military contractors that â Israel aggressively collects [ US] military and industrial technology.â The report stated that Israel obtains information using âethnic targeting, financial aggrandizement, and identification and exploitation of individual frailtiesâ of US citizens.
1996 A General Accounting Office report âDefense Industrial Security: Weaknesses in US Security Arrangements With Foreign-Owned Defense Contractorsâ found that according to intelligence sources âCountry Aâ (identified by intelligence sources as Israel, Washington Times, 2/22/96) âconducts the most aggressive espionage operation against the United States of any US ally.â The Jerusalem Post (8/30/96) quoted the report, âClassified military information and sensitive military technologies are high-priority targets for the intelligence agencies of this country.â The report described âAn espionage operation run by the intelligence organization responsible for collecting scientific and technologic information for [Israel] paid a US government employee to obtain US classified military intelligence documents.â The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs (Shawn L. Twing, April 1996) noted that this was âa reference to the 1985 arrest of Jonathan Pollard, a civilian US naval intelligence analyst who provided Israelâs LAKAM [Office of Special Tasks] espionage agency an estimated 800,000 pages of classified US intelligence information.â The GAO report also noted that âSeveral citizens of [ Israel] were caught in the United States stealing sensitive technology used in manufacturing artillery gun tubes.â
1996 An Office of Naval Intelligence document, âWorldwide Challenges to Naval Strike Warfareâ reported that â US technology has been acquired [by China] through Israel in the form of the Lavi fighter and possibly SAM [surface-to-air] missile technology.â Janeâs Defense Weekly (2/28/96) noted that âuntil now, the intelligence community has not openly confirmed the transfer of US technology [via Israel] to China.â The report noted that this ârepresents a dramatic step forward for Chinese military aviation.â (Flight International, 3/13/96)
1997 An Army mechanical engineer, David A. Tenenbaum, âinadvertentlyâ gives classified military information on missile systems and armored vehicles to Israeli officials (New York Times, 2/20/97).
1997 The Washington Post reports US intelligence has intercepted a conversation in which two Israeli officials had discussed the possibility of getting a confidential letter that then-Secretary of State Warren Christopher had written to Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat. One of the Israelis, identified only as Dov, had commented that they may get the letter from Mega, the code name for Israelâs top agent inside the United States.
1997 US ambassador to Israel, Martin Indyk, complains privately to the Israeli government about heavy-handed surveillance by Israeli intelligence agents.
1997 Israeli agents place a tap on Monica Lewinskyâs phone at the Watergate and record phone sex sessions between her and President Bill Clinton. The Ken Starr report confirms that Clinton warned Lewinsky their conversations were being taped and ended the affair. At the same time, the FBIâs hunt forMega is called off.
2001 It is discovered that US drug agentâs communications have been penetrated. Suspicion falls on two companies, AMDOCS and Comverse Infosys, both owned by Israelis. AMDOCS generates billing data for most US phone companies and is able to provide detailed logs of who is talking to whom. Comverse Infosys builds the tapping equipment used by law enforcement to eavesdrop on all American telephone calls, but suspicion forms that Comverse, which gets half of its research and development budget from the Israeli government, has built a back door into the system that is being exploited by Israeli intelligence and that the information gleaned on US drug interdiction efforts is finding its way to drug smugglers. The investigation by the FBI leads to the exposure of the largest foreign spy ring ever uncovered inside the United States, operated by Israel. Half of the suspected spies have been arrested when 9-11 happens. On 9-11, 5 Israelis are arrested for dancing and cheering while the World Trade Towers collapse. Supposedly employed by Urban Moving Systems, the Israelis are caught with multiple passports and a lot of cash. Two of them are later revealed to be Mossad. As witness reports track the activity of the Israelis, it emerges that they were seen at Liberty Park at the time of the first impact, suggesting a foreknowledge of what was to come. The Israelis are interrogated, and then eventually sent back to Israel. The owner of the moving company used as a cover by the Mossad agents abandons his business and flees to Israel. The United States Government then classifies all of the evidence related to the Israeli agents and their connections to 9-11. All of this is reported to the public via a four part story on Fox News by Carl Cameron. Pressure from Jewish groups, primarily AIPAC, forces Fox News to remove the story from their website. Two hours prior to the 9-11 attacks, Odigo, an Israeli company with offices just a few blocks from the World Trade Towers, receives an advance warning via the internet. The manager of the New York Office provides the FBI with the IP address of the sender of the message, but the FBI does not follow up.
2001 The FBI is investigating 5 Israeli moving companies as possible fronts for Israeli intelligence.
2001 JDLâs Irv Rubin arrested for planning to bomb a US Congressman. He dies before he can be brought to trial.
2002 The DEA issues a report that Israeli spies, posing as art students, have been trying to penetrate US Government offices.
2002 police near the Whidbey Island Naval Air Station in southern Washington State stop a suspicious truck and detain two Israelis, one of whom is illegally in the United States. The two men were driving at high speed in a Ryder rental truck, which they claimed had been used to âdeliver furniture.â The next day, police discovered traces of TNT and RDX military-grade plastic explosives inside the passenger cabin and on the steering wheel of the vehicle. The FBI then announces that the tests that showed explosives were false positives by cigarette smoke, a claim test experts say is ridiculous. Based on an alibi provided by a woman, the case is closed and the Israelis are handed over to INS to be sent back to Israel. One week later, the woman who provided the alibi vanishes.
2003 The Police Chief of Cloudcroft stops a truck speeding through a school zone. The drivers turn out to be Israelis with expired passports. Claiming to be movers, the truck contains junk furniture and several boxes. The Israelis are handed over to immigration. The contents of the boxers are not revealed to the public.
2003 Israel deploys assassination squads into other countries, including the United States. The US Government does not protest.
2004 Police near the Nuclear Fuel Services plant in Tennessee stop a truck after a three mile chase, during which the driver throws a bottle containing a strange liquid from the cab. The drivers turn out to be Israelis using fake Ids. The FBI refuses to investigate and the Israelis are released. 2004 Two Israelis try to enter Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base, home to eight Trident submarines. The truck tests positive for explosives.
I think that Israel is a great country that deserves to thrive and we should bomb their enemies in defense of them. They are not only fighting for their religion they are fighting for their people. They might be one of our few true allies and friends.
Your sir, reek of utter ignorance. Why is Israel a great country if its creation caused the displacement and deaths of millions of Palestinians? How is Israel a great country if it has 3/4 of the world against it? How is it even a great country when it can't secure a safe environment for its own people for half a century? It has failed both its own people and external parties.
even if a grain of truth is there, it disproves that israel is a very good friend
I'm not trying to claim that they're good friends to the US at all. Just saying what you wrote was mostly bull. The relations between the US and Israel have been strained for years now. The only thing I had a problem with is the "facts" you posted not the point you were trying to make.
Why is Israel a great country if its creation caused the displacement and deaths of millions of Palestinians? How is Israel a great country if it has 3/4 of the world against it? How is it even a great country when it can't secure a safe environment for its own people for half a century?
Produces the most scientific papers (and patents) in the world (per capita)
Largest amount of start up companies in the world.
24th largest economy in the world.
Highest average living standards in the middle east.
It's economy is larger than all of it's immediate neighbors combined.
It is the only liberal democracy in the middle east
It has the most museums per capita
Israeli scientists made the first computerized diagnostic instrument for breast cancer that doesn't emit radiation. They also made the first ingestible video camera.
It has the highest ratio of university degree to population in the world
Produces the most scientific papers (and patents) in the world (per capita)
Largest amount of start up companies in the world.
24th largest economy in the world.
Highest average living standards in the middle east.
It's economy is larger than all of it's immediate neighbors combined.
It is the only liberal democracy in the middle east
It has the most museums per capita
Israeli scientists made the first computerized diagnostic instrument for breast cancer that doesn't emit radiation. They also made the first ingestible video camera.
More stuff they invented
Israel ranks first in amount of scientists and technicians per capita.
The list goes on and on
still this does not have any effect on answers of these questions
Why is Israel a great country if its creation caused the displacement and deaths of millions of Palestinians? How is Israel a great country if it has 3/4 of the world against it? How is it even a great country when it can't secure a safe environment for its own people for half a century? It has failed both its own people and external parties
