I have a question to all believers, what's your reason for sticking to your religion? (meaning why do you do it faithfuly, if you just do it cause your parents do it then I don't think you really believe)
No. There are many different religions with many different views on death: degrees of torment, or no torment at all. Some believe it's a fiery many-layered torture place for bad people. Some believe it's simply where everyone goes when they die (Sheol).
The Doctrine and Covenants is not part of the Book of Mormon, but it's generally included in triple combinations. I think there's a passage search including it at lds.org. And do you really think that the Skeptic's Annotated Bible is the best place to look for something specific?
It has always worked for me so far. You could have specified that it wasn't in the BOM, that would have made it a lot easier to look up.
From what I can tell, the "Outer Darkness" originated from some pages in Matthew, Joe Smith is really bad at writing original things. So it shal come to pass.
From your source,
"On the other hand, the devil and his angels, including the sons of perdition, are assigned to a place spoken of as a lake of fireâ"a figure of eternal anguish. This condition is sometimes called hell in the scriptures (2 Pet. 2:4; D&C 29:38; 88:113). This kind of hell, which is after the resurrection and judgment, is exclusively for the devil and his angels, and is not the same as that consisting only of the period between death and resurrection. The one group are redeemed from hell and inherit some degree of glory. The other receive no glory. They continue in spiritual darkness. For them the conditions of hell remain."
So basically, yes, Mormons believe in hell. Why is this even an issue when there are no Mormons around? I am growing tired of this conversation.
You said something about how many religions believed in Hell, then said I was wrong when I listed the LDS Church as one of those that don't. I think.
Alright. Lets say for the sake of conversation that they don't actually believe in hell, despite what I have brought up. Great. Now only 99-95 percent of Christians believe in hell. Combined with Islam, that is about 50% of the world who believes in hell, once again not counting religions like Hinduism where you get born in a lower status for not following their rules.
If you call an orange an apple, is it an apple, or is it an orange?
A rose by any other name would smell as sweat?
Now the other thing with the hell will take some time, I'm going to sight a few sources.
No I am not. I realized there would be no purpose arguing with someone who isn't even of the religion they are speaking of.
Alright, do you believe in Saints? The Pope's powers? The virgin birth? That communion literally becomes the body and blood of Christ?
Yes, but it's not for humans...
What is an angle? In Mormon speak?
Lol, smell just as sweat indeed. But I think you misunderstood my point.
They call it a hell, it is a place where bad people go, it is a hell.
Why is that?
Because, we are arguing about what someone else believes, someone who isn't even here right now. And not even a particular someone, but a group of people. It is hard to find two people who believe the same thing in religion, so it is pointless to argue when no one of that religion is here.
Ha, Mormon speak. I think most of them prefer LDS, but 'kay. Well, here.
The scriptures speak of the devilâs angels. These are those spirits who followed Lucifer and were thrust out in the war in heaven and cast down to the earth. See Rev. 12:1â"9; D&C 29:36â"38; Moses 4:1â"4; Abr. 3:27â"28, and as alluded to by Peter and Jude cited above.
They call it a hell, it is a place where bad people go, it is a hell.
No, it is a place for Satan and his angels.
Because, we are arguing about what someone else believes, someone who isn't even here right now. And not even a particular someone, but a group of people. It is hard to find two people who believe the same thing in religion, so it is pointless to argue when no one of that religion is here.
We could just drop it, since this was only about whether or not Mormons believe in hell because you said that the majority of theistic religions believe in hell, and I already disproved that with the Jehovah's Witnesses and Jews and whatnot.
Satan and his angels are bad people, according to the Mormons, correct?
Ha, Mormon speak. I think most of them prefer LDS, but 'kay.
"Angels. These are messengers of the Lord, and are spoken of in the epistle to the Hebrews as âministering spiritsâ (Heb. 1:14). We learn from latter-day revelation that there are two classes of heavenly beings who minister for the Lord: those who are spirits and those who have bodies of flesh and bone. Spirits are those beings who either have not yet obtained a body of flesh and bone (unembodied), or who have once had a mortal body and have died, and are awaiting the resurrection (disembodied). Ordinarily the word angel means those ministering persons who have a body of flesh and bone, being either resurrected from the dead (reembodied), or else translated, as were Enoch, Elijah, etc. (D&C 129)."
So basically they are people. Who burn in hell.
We could just drop it, since this was only about whether or not Mormons believe in hell because you said that the majority of theistic religions believe in hell, and I already disproved that with the Jehovah's Witnesses and Jews and whatnot.
What? Just the other Christians and Islam take up more than 50% of the world, with the third biggest being atheist/agnostic with only 16%, meaning that the majority believe in a hell... Of the world, no less, not just theists.
the devil's angels. These are those spirits who followed Lucifer and were thrust out in the war in heaven and cast down to the earth.
And what are spirits? Are they not people? Not humans mind you, but people? Like a sufficiently advanced alien, it isn't human, but it is close enough?
Ha, Mormon speak. I think most of them prefer LDS, but 'kay. Well, here.
Mos of us don't really care (Us mormons) but I'm not gonna expand on the current topic cuz I'm using my iTouch. To answer the thread: I stick to my religion because I was raised that way so I've grown to believe in it.
To answer the thread: I stick to my religion because I was raised that way so I've grown to believe in it.
Is this really a good reason to believe? I do realize it's a very common reason and due to the way humans develop can be persuasive for the person growing up in it. But is it not perhaps better to look past this and examine what is being believed in for yourself?
