Well a lot of people have been telling me evolution is real. They give me the most craziest surreal 'facts'. Has anyone discovered any fish with legs? Any humans with gills or fins? If you put all the pieces of a watch into you're pocket and shake it around for trillions of years, will it ever become a watch? Is there but one possibility? Or if you completely dismantle a chicken and a fish, and put it into a box, shaking it around for trillions of years. Will it ever become a fish with wings? or a chicken with fins? :l
I know because we evolved from them. That what I meant by saying there is no more of that ape.
Just because one species evolves from another doesn't mean that species has to go extinct. So long as the two groups aren't competing for the same niche and the environment is still suited for the previous form it can still keep going.
People trying to prove evilution try creating life, but of course fail.
How many times does it have to be said evolution =/= origin of life.
How many times has it been said on this thread and had evolution defined for you? I'm beginning to wonder if your even paying attention.
"Evolution is a change in alle frequency in a species over generation, or more simply put decent with modification."
Also the odds of 18,000 DNA (OR RNA) letters lining up in proper order for life to begin by itself is 1/4 to the power of 18,000. That's more than you think. It's almost 3 pages full of zeros. That's pretty much no chance at all.
Odds are for something going to happen, not something that already has. Also to put this in internet speak, made odds are made up.
Anyone here a Creationist who has a mind of his own (like shinycowbeast and I)?
I've yet you hear either of you use anything that sounds like a mind of your own. I have heard you dredge up the same tired arguments that have already been shot down, not only in the field but on this thread.
The big bang? sorry, but two rocks don't bumb together and explode, amking life in the process. what kind of life could live through something like that?
Using a Kasic tactic. 1)that's not what the Big Bang states happened. 2) That's not what is though resulted in the origin of life 3) neither the Big Bang or origin of life have anything to do with how life changed and adapted afterwords i.e. evolution.
All you've done here is strawman the argument.
People beleive that the big bang happend because it is the most logic way to think of the world starting.
The Big Bang is the expansion of the universe, not the origin of the Earth.
Now, onto the topic of evolution, I feel it will be beneficial if I outline what it covers for those who apparently do not know.
A good definition for evolution (in the way of the theory) is as Mage said, "Evolution is a change in alle frequency in a species over generation, or more simply put decent with modification."
Now, the Theory of Evolution does NOT:
1) Cover the origin of life. 2) Cover the origin of the universe. 3) Say that we evolved from the apes we see today 4) Claim to be 100% complete 5) Say that it is 100% right in every way 6) Disprove/prove the existence of a supernatural being.
Any questions/objections/interjections/and or anything else ending in ion?
Your real argument isn't with evolution. Your arguing against the Big Bang theory, which entails the origin of the universe. We -know- that chemicals react and can do things just by coming into contact, and we know that organisms can self replicate. We know that they can change.
What you're arguing is for all this to happen there has to be something there for it to happen, and you're asserting that things don't just appear by themselves.
Now, let's take a look at God. He supposedly made everything according to you, right? Where did he come from? Oh, what's that, he -always- existed? Wait wait wait. So an all powerful, all knowing being has just always existed, but simple building blocks can't? Seems a bit of a double standard don't you think?
Now, let's take a look at God. He supposedly made everything according to you, right? Where did he come from? Oh, what's that, he -always- existed? Wait wait wait. So an all powerful, all knowing being has just always existed, but simple building blocks can't? Seems a bit of a double standard don't you think?
The big bang theory is very important to evolution. Without it, evolution is ruined(it already is ). So it is very much in the subject.
Kasic is right, they're independent. See it that way, you could replace the big bang theory, or abiogenesis, or both, by a creation myth. And still evolution would be valid, because no matter where the first living unit came from, it evolved.
So don't get them mixed up, please.
Oh, and thaboss is right too; you've still got plenty of points to address and questions to answer.
The big bang theory is very important to evolution. Without it, evolution is ruined(it already is ). So it is very much in the subject.
Why do you keep insisting on strawmanning the argument?
Okay let's say for the sake of argument the theory is totally wrong, the universe didn't expand from a singularity. There was something else that went on instead. In what way does that ruin the theory that groups of lifeforms change and adapt to their environment?
What evidence would you accept to prove to you that evolution does happen?
Quite simply, God has no beginning and no end. So, where did God come from? He didn't. He always was.
So God can magically just exist, but basic building blocks can't huh?
Care to explain this blatant double standard?
perhaps this will be a bit difficult to comprehend for some of you close-minded atheists
I think I'm starting to like this "insult." Being called close minded by people who profess absolute, unshakable faith in their religion is laughable. (Just so you don't pull the, "I never said that/I don't believe that card, this is in general. If you would like to say however what it would take you to disbelieve, I and my fellow atheists would have no trouble whatsoever telling you in return what it would take for us to believe)
So God can magically just exist, but basic building blocks can't huh?
Basic building blocks certainly can exist. this is why we have a periodic table. they were created, however, by God
If you would like to say however what it would take you to disbelieve, I and my fellow atheists would have no trouble whatsoever telling you in return what it would take for us to believe
It would probably take cold hard evidence that the origin of the universe is the big bang and we all came from a cell that originated from this. btw, I won't see what you post tonight because I want to get some sleep for a fairly important meeting tomorrow, but I will look back at some point and see how you respond
Do you have any proof, evidence, or anything whatsoever to back this up with? I too can claim whatever I want. See a tree outside? That's unicorn poop. That's why you need to back up your statements.
It would probably take cold hard evidence that the origin of the universe is the big bang and we all came from a cell that originated from this.
I Know that I and others have told you that the Big Bang Theory does not detail the origin of life.
To be fair, I will also say what it would take to convince me otherwise.
1) Meeting another sentient race with almost the exact same religion as Christianity, just relevant to them.
2) God announcing himself in a way that would leave me without doubt of his existence.
3) Dying and finding out there is an afterlife.
Those there are probably the only things that would outright convince me (except the first, it would depend on the degree to which they are the same) of there being some kind of supernatural being out there.
Note: None of these will outright convince me of Christianity, only a supernatural being.
