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... Yeah I won't go there....

Well, my assumption that it's real. It's what I trust. If I doubt that what I experience is real, well then what can I consider true? If my perception is false, then are my experiences are put into question, and what I know might not be true. If I was schizophrenic I would be very paranoid. Even if it wasn't apart of my schizophrenia to begin with. I would just be so worried that I'm seeing something, or hearing something that isn't there. ( not saying all schizophrenics are like this. Just imagining if I was.)

Well, my assumption that it's real. It's what I trust. If I doubt that what I experience is real, well then what can I consider true? If my perception is false, then are my experiences are put into question, and what I know might not be true. If I was schizophrenic I would be very paranoid. Even if it wasn't apart of my schizophrenia to begin with. I would just be so worried that I'm seeing something, or hearing something that isn't there. ( not saying all schizophrenics are like this. Just imagining if I was.)

He is saying your a Christian. Geddit? (Wow. That is actually a word.)

I can see what you mean, I almost remember a quote from "A Beautiful Mind", something about "What if you where to wake up one day and find that your friends and family where not only gone, but had never existed?"

But of course now a days it is simple enough to fix with medication, so it is almost irrelevant.

He is saying your a Christian. Geddit? (Wow. That is actually a word.)

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But of course now a days it is simple enough to fix with medication, so it is almost irrelevant.

Well no not really. The medications fix the symptoms but not the disease. So you still have the illness. And without treatments, you won't really be fixed. AP there's not a one shot cures all in this situation. Or even a take this medication for a week. But could you imagine. 1% of people are schizophrenic. That's about every 100th person you meet. And so far I've never meet one person with it. As far as I know.

Well no not really. The medications fix the symptoms but not the disease. So you still have the illness. And without treatments, you won't really be fixed. AP there's not a one shot cures all in this situation. Or even a take this medication for a week. But could you imagine. 1% of people are schizophrenic. That's about every 100th person you meet. And so far I've never meet one person with it. As far as I know.

Does it matter if you have a disease if it shows no symptoms? Personally I think people would jump for joy if AIDS had something that would completely obliterate all symptoms, even if you had to carry it around with you the rest of your life.

And where are you getting that statistic from? It doesn't sound to feasible, to be honest.

And where are you getting that statistic from? It doesn't sound to feasible, to be honest.

From here

Does it matter if you have a disease if it shows no symptoms?

It does very much when you need to keep taking medication to stop the symptoms. I had a similar choice as a child to control my asthma. It was one pill a day for possibly forever. And I stopped taking those pills a long time ago. Oh course with schizophrenia, depending on the severity you may need to take those pills, and there may not be another option. No one should have to do that.

1. Regier DA, Narrow WE, Rae DS, Manderscheid RW, Locke BZ, Goodwin FK. The de facto US mental and addictive disorders service system. Epidemiologic catchment area prospective 1-year prevalence rates of disorders and services. Archives of General Psychiatry. 1993 Feb;50(2):85-94.

Interesting source, to be sure. I will have to say there are three kinds of lies on this one, I know almost a hundred people and not a single schizophrenic. And apparently nor have you.

It does very much when you need to keep taking medication to stop the symptoms. I had a similar choice as a child to control my asthma. It was one pill a day for possibly forever. And I stopped taking those pills a long time ago. Oh course with schizophrenia, depending on the severity you may need to take those pills, and there may not be another option. No one should have to do that.

Have to...Take pills? At that point, it is more of an inconvenience than a horrible disease. It would, of course, be nice if it was possible to eliminate the disease completely, but at this point it is cured enough that it doesn't mater.

Interesting source, to be sure. I will have to say there are three kinds of lies on this one, I know almost a hundred people and not a single schizophrenic. And apparently nor have you.

Is this any better?

Have to...Take pills? At that point, it is more of an inconvenience than a horrible disease.

Just because we have something to help the disease doesn't mean it's not a lethal, and harsh disease. Having this disease, and then needing a pill to control it is dangerous. People tend to feel that they don't need the pills after a while, and because they feel better stop taking them. They can also just forget. And pills don't fix the problem. They just suppress the problem. Also, if you're too reliant on pills and don't take advantage of therapy, then what will happen if you can't get to your pills. At that point you're completely vulnerable. A permanent, or even just a long term solution really should be made. I don't think anyone even could take one pill for the rest of their life without forgetting or having it affect them.

Sadock BJ, Sadock VA (2007). Schizophrenia. In Kaplan and Sadockâs Synopsis of Psychiatry: Behavioral Sciences/Clinical Psychiatry, 10th ed., pp. 467-497. Philadelphia: Lippincott Williams and Wilkins.

How is that much different? I would assume that he got it from the previous source anyway...

"There are three kinds of lies. Lies, ****ed lies, and statistics"

Just because we have something to help the disease doesn't mean it's not a lethal, and harsh disease.

I could see harsh, but it would be a rare circumstance that it was lethal.

Having this disease, and then needing a pill to control it is dangerous. People tend to feel that they don't need the pills after a while, and because they feel better stop taking them.

So your argument is "People maybe might stop taking the pill just 'cause and will start going around Europe with their wife doing the will of the voices". I would assume this is rare. This would be like saying "Well cars must drive themselves, because people will die in a car crash".

They can also just forget.

"Oh. Silly me. I forgot to take the pills that keep me sane again!"

How often did you forget your asthma pills? You make it sound like something you could forget one day just walking around, and I would assume that you took them all if it was cured now...

And pills don't fix the problem. They just suppress the problem.

A suppressed problem is as good as no problem, as long as you can suppress it forever. Which you can with pills. It is like saying that you need to buy a nuclear generator for your house, because you may forget to pay the power bill and it only helps you temporarily.

Also, if you're too reliant on pills and don't take advantage of therapy, then what will happen if you can't get to your pills.

You will go insane. Would therapy help you, if you believed that god was speaking with you? I haven't heard of therapy working for schizophrenics on any large scale.

Why do you keep assuming that they forget their medicine? You make it sound like something that happens as easily as forgetting where you put the remote. I am going to assume that if the only thing keeping you sane are pills, your going to remember the pills.

At that point you're completely vulnerable. A permanent, or even just a long term solution really should be made. I don't think anyone even could take one pill for the rest of their life without forgetting or having it affect them.

Lets compare the pills to eating. You have to eat several times a day, everyday, and I am assuming you have not forgotten even one day. Is it really that hard to eat everyday? Is it really that hard to remember to take what is, once more, the only object keeping you sane? It would be like forgetting to eat, unlikely.

So your argument is "People maybe might stop taking the pill just 'cause and will start going around Europe with their wife doing the will of the voices". I would assume this is rare. This would be like saying "Well cars must drive themselves, because people will die in a car crash".

It'a that people feel like they don't need the pill anymore. So then they stop taking the pill.

How often did you forget your asthma pills? You make it sound like something you could forget one day just walking around, and I would assume that you took them all if it was cured now...

You can't cure asthma. And it was very easy to forget. Especially because I didn't like to take them.

You will go insane. Would therapy help you, if you believed that god was speaking with you? I haven't heard of therapy working for schizophrenics on any large scale.

Well then thats a problem isn't it? Lets say you take a flight and you pills were lost with your luggage. You get to you destination late. Now what? Or lets say you were supposed to take your pills and you dropped them (somewhere you couldn't just pick them up and swallow.

Lets compare the pills to eating. You have to eat several times a day, everyday, and I am assuming you have not forgotten even one day. Is it really that hard to eat everyday? Is it really that hard to remember to take what is, once more, the only object keeping you sane? It would be like forgetting to eat, unlikely.

The difference is that eating is enjoyable. Everytime you take a pill you're reminded that you have a problem. Well, thats just the way I see it. I'm sort of pessimestic about medicine.

Also, what if they can't afford the pills?

I guess some people would be okay with pills. I don't see how these are the best solution. It's like giving someone a bottle of water a day instead of opening up a pipe for them.

It'a that people feel like they don't need the pill anymore. So then they stop taking the pill.

Can I see your data on this?

You can't cure asthma. And it was very easy to forget. Especially because I didn't like to take them.

Your asthma is gone, and how often did you forget?

Well then thats a problem isn't it? Lets say you take a flight and you pills were lost with your luggage. You get to you destination late. Now what? Or lets say you were supposed to take your pills and you dropped them (somewhere you couldn't just pick them up and swallow.

Don't you just love wild hypothetical situations! What do old people (who commonly need a ton of medicine) do when they get in that situation? I have never had to take anything more than penicillin for a week, I have no clue.

I would assume if you dropped some, you would just take some more from tomorrow's rations and get another prescription.

The difference is that eating is enjoyable. Everytime you take a pill you're reminded that you have a problem. Well, thats just the way I see it. I'm sort of pessimestic about medicine.

So the only difference is that you like one and don't like the other? Hardly an argument. By this logic, every time you eat you must be reminded that you have a horrible problem- hunger- if you do not take your food. Why can't medicine just be something you do every day? It doesn't have to be a horrible blood ritual, just something you must do like eating.

Also, what if they can't afford the pills?

I would assume that, much like eating, you would either have to find a way to get it, or suffer the effects. Don't you just love "what ifs"?

I guess some people would be okay with pills. I don't see how these are the best solution. It's like giving someone a bottle of water a day instead of opening up a pipe for them.

It isn't the best solution, but it is a pretty amazing one. Instead of suffering threw the effects, you can simply take the fruits of modern medical science and rid yourself of your affliction for at least the rest of the day. Would you rather they suffer threw it?

How is that much different? I would assume that he got it from the previous source anyway...

Sorry for the DP but I forgot to ask you before. What source would you accept then? What type should it be?

Sorry for the DP but I forgot to ask you before. What source would you accept then? What type should it be?

Your to slow to DP. I would prefer something more like a census, it sounds like the people in the last post just asked a hundred people "Are you a schizophrenic?" and one person said yes. Statistics annoy me.

And according to that source (roxystylesheet=default_frontend&site=census&access=p">The U.S census Bureau), it would appear that mood disorders (including schizophrenia) make up a small part of hospital discharges, let alone the general population.

Your asthma is gone, and how often did you forget?

Wait what? What do you mean my asthma is gone. I'm having asthma problems right now. You can't just get rid of it. I forgot one day, was reminded, and took it for a while. I forgot again, and eventually just stopped taking them. I'd remember days later to take it. And since I felt better at the time I didn't remember to take them. I'm pretty sure the first thing going through a schizophrenic's when they wake up is "oh god. I need to take my pills because I'll be insane otherwise." When people feel better, they hardly even remember they were sick.

What do old people (who commonly need a ton of medicine) do when they get in that situation?

I think the difference is that the brain disorder can affect whether you decide to get more pills to treat yourself.

Why can't medicine just be something you do every day? It doesn't have to be a horrible blood ritual, just something you must do like eating.

Because its horrible. I have this medication that I need to take currently. Here's what I do. I put a liquid in a mask, put it on and breath the air the comes out of it. For 20 min I sit up right and breath. With a napkin to wipe my nose that the treatment makes run. Does it sound just like a meal? Its also very loud, so I do it alone in room. It's just not the same as eating a candy bar.

I would assume that, much like eating, you would either have to find a way to get it, or suffer the effects. Don't you just love "what ifs"?

Yeah, suffering the effects is something I'd rather not have people go through if it could be prevented.

It isn't the best solution, but it is a pretty amazing one. Instead of suffering threw the effects, you can simply take the fruits of modern medical science and rid yourself of your affliction for at least the rest of the day. Would you rather they suffer threw it?

No, I'm just saying that some more research should be put in to find a better solution.

Your to slow to DP. I would prefer something more like a census, it sounds like the people in the last post just asked a hundred people "Are you a schizophrenic?" and one person said yes. Statistics annoy me.

Oh okay then. But you know that just states the number that went to the hospital. Not the number that there are. How many people know what schizophrenia is? And if they got it, would they seek medical attention? Most who do get it are between their teens and 40. Most of those years involve living on your own or with your partner/family. So a lot of people could get it and not seek medical attention.

Wait what? What do you mean my asthma is gone. I'm having asthma problems right now.

Eh? You said you stopped taking the pills. That usually means the problem is gone. If not, then why would you stop?

You can't just get rid of it. I forgot one day, was reminded, and took it for a while. I forgot again, and eventually just stopped taking them. I'd remember days later to take it.

...You can't breath when you don't take the pills, but you still forget?

And since I felt better at the time I didn't remember to take them. I'm pretty sure the first thing going through a schizophrenic's when they wake up is "oh god. I need to take my pills because I'll be insane otherwise." When people feel better, they hardly even remember they were sick.

Oh yeah. I forgot that everyone thinks exactly the same as you, dair5, and that everyone is stupid enough to stop taking pills once the problem goes away for a second. That is why once everyone reaches sixty, they die within a weak because they forget to take the massive amounts of pills that they do. And why we have a thousand schizophrenics running naked threw the street with a meat cleaver. Except that neither of those things happen. Ever think that you may be the exception, rather than the rule?

Why do you forget something important? If I forget so much as that I have a vampire in my fortress, I lose a Legendary +5 swordsman. If I forget I have work, I get fired. If I forget how to drive, I crash. Some things are difficult to forget.

I think the difference is that the brain disorder can affect whether you decide to get more pills to treat yourself.

I doubt that the effect would be swift enough that you can't take an extra hour to go to the pharmacy to save your sanity.

Because its horrible. I have this medication that I need to take currently. Here's what I do. I put a liquid in a mask, put it on and breath the air the comes out of it. For 20 min I sit up right and breath. With a napkin to wipe my nose that the treatment makes run. Does it sound just like a meal? Its also very loud, so I do it alone in room. It's just not the same as eating a candy bar.

OH no. You have to *Gasp of horror* wear some liquid for half an hour every day and reap amazing benefits, like being able to breath!

Now I love eating, it is one of my favorite past times, but even it can sound horrible if you speak it right. "You have to rub your bones together to crush a dead organism that you then must swallow down the same hole you breath in, and then it comes out later in a form that can be painful to some people. It also can lead to obesity, bad breath, and possibly cancer". When you consider the alternative is starving, it really isn't that bad.

Yeah, suffering the effects is something I'd rather not have people go through if it could be prevented.

The thing is it can't be prevented. It would, of course, be optimal to be able to dismiss all diseases, but that is a foolhardy thing to think about in the next hundred years. Medicine is really a miracle, I can't see why you hate it so much.