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Dewi1066
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Do you believe we all have rights as citizens? Have we got rights as human beings or have we got privileges offered up depending on our country of origin?

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Avorne
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I'd say that we have certain responsibilities to uphold, as citizens, which in turn afford us rights within that nation/state.

Dewi1066
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But do we have rights though?

A point often raised, in 1942, 110,000 Japanese Americans were thrown into internment camps on the basis that their parents happened to be Japanese. They had no rights to an attorney, no recourse, in fact their only right was people pointing and saying "Right this way" into the gates of camps.

If a right can be taken away like that, it isn't a right. It's a privilege isn't it?

partydevil
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Do you believe we all have rights as citizens

as citizens of what?

in some countrys humans have more rights then in other country's
thats how it is and no1 can change that. not even a "human rights organization"

the same go's for privileges.
people in developing countries have less options then lets say people in the uk.
for example. when you seek information in the uk then you have the privileges of having the internet nearby.
while in developing countries, 5 towns and 2 days walking might be the closest by internet connection.
Dewi1066
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Exactly, I agree with you on both, but is a right a privilege?

The Germans have 29 'rights', whilst the Americans have 17 (I think that's right) but some countries, particularly in Africa (the continent) and Asia have zero rights.

But any government in the world can remove those rights, so are they really rights?

We hear about human rights, but are they really rights when they can be taken away by people in authority, or are they privileges that are lent to the population as long as the state agrees they can have them?

Hypermnestra
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whilst the Americans have 17

What do you mean by "rights" in the legal sense?
Dewi1066
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Is it called the Bill of Rights? What every American can expect from the state?

Hypermnestra
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Is it called the Bill of Rights? What every American can expect from the state?

The Bill of Rights is just the name given to the first Ten Amendments to the U.S. Constitution. They limit the powers of the federal government and guarantee certain rights for the citizens, but the rights of American citizens go a lot further than the Bill of Rights.
Hypermnestra
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go a lot further than the Bill of Rights.

*Farther, sorry.
Dewi1066
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Could you expand on those rights and why they are rights rather than privileges?

partydevil
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Exactly, I agree with you on both, but is a right a privilege?


in time of war there are no rights.

as you said befor rights can be taken and given. therefor having a right to do this or that is a privileg.
Hypermnestra
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Could you expand on those rights and why they are rights rather than privileges?

It's like you said(I think): rights are something that everyone should automatically get, but privileges must be earned.
And it's a pretty lengthy list. I'll just put down the ones in the Bill of Rights, for now.
Well, there are the really famous ones in the First Amendment: freedom of speech, religion, assembly, petition, and the press. The Second Amendment is the right to bear arms. The Third Amendment makes it so that soldiers cannot stay in your home without your express permission(quartering was common at the time). The Fourth Amendment grants the citizen protection against unlawful search and seizure, makes it necessary for officers to have probable cause and a search warrant before they can do anything. The Fifth Amendment requires that a Grand Jury be used in murder trials, that a person cannot be tried for the same crime twice, that someone can't be forced to be a witness against themselves(this goes into the Miranda Rights), and that anything taken for public use must be fairly reciprocated. The Sixth Amendment guarantees accused criminals of a fair trial done quickly, held by an impartial judge and jury, to be told why (s)he is being tried, and to have legal counsel(this also goes into the Miranda Rights). The Seventh Amendment grants the right of trial by jury in all cases. The Eighth Amendment is another famous one, it restricts the government from requiring obscenely expensive bails and punishing criminals in a cruel and/or unusual way. The Ninth Amendment prevents the expansion of government power through rights in the Constitution. The Tenth Amendment states that rights not given to the state or federal government are reserved by the people.
And that's the Bill of Rights.
partydevil
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rights are something that everyone should automatically get.


soldiers in war have the right to kill people.
they did not get this right automaticly. they needed to do training etc. and they only have this right when in war on the frontline.

but privileges must be earned.

some1 born in the uk has automaticly the privileg of having the internet nearby. while in developing countrys they have to work hard to get that privileg.
Hypermnestra
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soldiers in war have the right to kill people.
they did not get this right automaticly. they needed to do training etc. and they only have this right when in war on the frontline.

That's not a right though, that's a privilege.

some1 born in the uk has automaticly the privileg of having the internet nearby. while in developing countrys they have to work hard to get that privileg.

Citizens in the U.K. have to pay for their internet. They don't just get it for free.
partydevil
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That's not a right though, that's a privilege.


it's hard for me to counter that since i c rights as a privilege.
but sofar i know it's always been called "the right to kill"

Citizens in the U.K. have to pay for their internet. They don't just get it for free.


enoufg places to get free internet. 1 simple example = mcdonalds.
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Do you believe we all have rights as citizens?


No. These are privileges: they are conditional. A "right" can never be conditional, it can never be taken away. But, our citizenship can be taken away. Thus, any "rights" granted to us due to our citizenship can be taken away- so they are actually privileges.

The only rights are basic human rights. There are rights that every human is entitled to- but this doesn't mean that all of this rights are actually realized by all people. Just because we have the right to free speech doesn't mean that there will never be anyone who tried to take this right away.

It just means that these people are committing a crime, not just against you, but against all of humanity.

In contrast: People don't have the right to, say, drive at whatever speed they desire. So, it is not a crime to prevent someone from driving too fast.
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