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Dewi1066
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Do you believe we all have rights as citizens? Have we got rights as human beings or have we got privileges offered up depending on our country of origin?

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Hypermnestra
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it's hard for me to counter that since i c rights as a privilege.
but sofar i know it's always been called "the right to kill"

Just because it's called a right doesn't make it so.

enoufg places to get free internet. 1 simple example = mcdonalds.

Internet hot spots do exist, but you can't just sit there and use it. It's an added bonus for their customers.

I believe people don't have rights as citizens, they have rights as people. Pure and simple.
partydevil
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The only rights are basic human rights


child labor go's against basic human rights in the usa for example. but it doesn't in china,congo,turkey. how you explain that?
are these countrys (and many more) committing a crime against all of humaninty?
Hypermnestra
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Children should be allowed to work, just not forced.

EmperorPalpatine
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A "right" can never be conditional, it can never be taken away. But, our citizenship can be taken away. Thus, any "rights" granted to us due to our citizenship can be taken away- so they are actually privileges.

Yep. That's one of the problems with the new defense bill that says the US military can detain anyone suspected of terrorism or terrorist connections without trial, but it dosen't apply to lawful US citizens. Since citizenship can be revoked, anyone could be detained.
partydevil
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but you can't just sit there and use it.


yes you can. the radius of mcdonalds connections in my country is till 150meters from the mcdonalds itself. so basicly every1 living whitin 150 meters of a mcdonalds have free internet.

Children should be allowed to work, just not forced.


what if they are needed to keep the family alive?
Hypermnestra
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what if they are needed to keep the family alive?

Then they should be allowed to work, like I said already.

yes you can. the radius of mcdonalds connections in my country is till 150meters from the mcdonalds itself. so basicly every1 living whitin 150 meters of a mcdonalds have free internet.

My mistake.
Still though, that's not a right. You wouldn't be doing any real harm if you took the internet away.
partydevil
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Then they should be allowed to work, like I said already.


so when they don't want to then we just let some people left to die.
i'm glad people in countrys like congo and china are not thinking in that way.
i find it very logic to force those children to work. it's part of the culture and whitout it many many people will die.
Hypermnestra
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so when they don't want to then we just let some people left to die.

Wait, what?
As I understand what you're saying...
The family is starving/homeless and for some reason incapable of providing for themselves. So the child starts working to put food on the table.
If the child stops working, their family will starve, and that'll be on their head. But that's it.

i find it very logic to force those children to work. it's part of the culture and whitout it many many people will die.

How so? How would people die?
And sticking to outdated cultures just because they're traditional is stupid.
partydevil
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Still though, that's not a right.


it was a example of a privilege not a right

You wouldn't be doing any real harm if you took the internet away.


hmmm uk whit 1 month no internet.... (or only internet like they have in zimbabua) and all hell would break lose. those riots of last year about nothing will be nothing xD
partydevil
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How so? How would people die?


the world isn't everywhere as luxery as north america, europe and some countrys in the east.

there are places on this world where children NEED to work. no time for playing.
Hypermnestra
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hmmm uk whit 1 month no internet.... (or only internet like they have in zimbabua) and all hell would break lose. those riots of last year about nothing will be nothing xD

Yes, there would be rioting. But that's because the people are accustomed to the internet, not because they're entitled to it.

there are places on this world where children NEED to work. no time for playing.

I know that. I didn't ask you to explain that, I asked you to explain how anyone other than the children would die if the children voluntarily stopped working.
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child labor go's against basic human rights in the usa for example. but it doesn't in china,congo,turkey. how you explain that?


Because child labor isn't a basic human right. In the U.S., children are not allowed to work in many aspects. This is different from having the right to not work. The child's parents, for instance, could still have the child work in the family business, or do chores at home, or whatever.
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I have one question...

If a Satanist were to break the law (in the US) by following his/her religion, would it still be a crime?

(freedom of religion :O)

PerryKid
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What I ask is, if he/she were to break the law during a religious practice, is it a crime?

partydevil
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I asked you to explain how anyone other than the children would die if the children voluntarily stopped working.


let's see..

kids works - kid brings in the money and food.
kid stops working - no money and food - any1 in the family dies because of no money and food. (money can be medicin needed for mother or whatever)

dunno if i can explain it more Sesame Street like.

Because child labor isn't a basic human right


then why do i always hear about child labor being so bad and against human rights on tv by human rights organizations.
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