i don't believe in God, maybe you do, maybe you don't. I would gladly 'battle' a religious person to determine if 'God' is real or not. Anybody up for the challenge?
True, I have considered that, but still... Why did he allow all of the WW's? If hes soooooooo amazing, why didn't he create world peace, no poverty, destroy all of the sins... and what if EVERYONE in the world prayed for a miillion dollars to come out of nowwhere into their hands. Would it happen? NO
Um, no, because I would say that while there is no proof that God does exist, however there is no proof that God doesn't exist.
then the questions is. who came up whit the theory of a existing god? answerd: some religion. then it is their duty the search for proof of their theory. when they have found this proof. we can investigate that proof. and then we have a dabate running.
untill then this is going nowhere. so religious folk. go and search for proof of your god. we wait here and work on our own theory called evolution and abiogenesis. and for both we have proof it is real.
mage plz. post that pics and throw a bomb in here ^^
@PartyDevil But, Mage is the grim reaper, sir. He never leaves without taking the bloomin' soul! Anyway, I agree with PartyDevil. I have yet to see proof of a deity who created the 'erfect' world, and isn't it that God made Man in his own image? As I remember from a movie; "God must be pretty ****** up to make man in his own image, then"
because god is perfect. He created something that is perfect. And to create something that is perfect, it need to have free will. And since the humans have free will, they started the war.
and what if EVERYONE in the world prayed for a miillion dollars to come out of nowwhere into their hands.
he created the earth. And the earth is capable of handle million dollars. the problem is, the people that dont share them.
Let me give you a example to your previous statements.
There is a man who got 1 wife and 1 son. The man is gone to work, When the man comes back from work, he gonna kill his wife and his son.
You can prevent it for happend. you have god like power. 1. You kill the man in a car accident, before he comes home. (you just killed a innocent man) 2. You let him come home. (because of you, a woman and a child died)
First define god so we have something to work with.
The initial claim "god exists" to be accepted must be demonstrated to be true. Only then can we start disputing the claims demonstrating it's validity. Just countering with "rove god doesn't exist" is nothing but an attempt to shift the burden of proof and an avoidance of the initial question. "Prove god doesn't exist" is a completely useless question. We form pictures of reality based on demonstrating what does exist.
From wiki.ironchariots.org "Perhaps a nice analogy (in layments terms) is that "believe until proven false" correlates with the principle of "guilty until proven innocent", as such, expecting something to be considered true until proven (to a reasonable degree of certainty, ofcourse) false basically equates to considering an accused in court as being guilty until the defence can prove otherwise. I would (hopefully) presume that most rational thinkers would consider any given proposition to be "innocent until proven guilty" (translation: unproven until proven) until sufficient evidence and/or logical argument could be put forward to the contrary - afterall, is this not the scientific method in a nutshell?"
Let me give you a example to your previous statements.
There is a man who got 1 wife and 1 son. The man is gone to work, When the man comes back from work, he gonna kill his wife and his son.
You can prevent it for happend. you have god like power. 1. You kill the man in a car accident, before he comes home. (you just killed a innocent man) 2. You let him come home. (because of you, a woman and a child died)
what you gonna do?
OR. You could be a benevolent god and tell the wife/child that the man is coming home to murder them and that it is advisable to leave. The wife/child refuse, but are on guard and the wife has a gun ready to protect herself/child *just in case* and scares the husband off. They later talk it out or separate and no one is dead. God did not interfere in free will.
there is nothing to disprove when those that say it is real are coming up whit no proof by themself. it is not the duty of atheists to disprove god. it are the theists that need to find proof in the 1st place.
What kind of man leaves for work, comes back and murders his family? That's a stupid scenario.
remember you interfere with the free will, if you are proven real.
I apologize, but do you mean that if you tell them to ready themselves, it's "interfering with free will"? If someone was about to kill you, as in, I knew about it yet the killer hadn't reached you yet, and I told you to ready yourself, would I be interfering with your free will? You'd rather die than take advice?
