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Avorne
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Just before I begin - here are some interesting statistics from the BBC that say food production will have to rise 70% by 2050 in order to support the population.

So, what are your views on the idea of overpopulation, is it a clear and present danger to us?

If it is, then what do you propose should be done about it?

I personally think that overpopulation is a big mid-term danger for us and that all too few people really seem to believe that the world can become overpopulated. In terms of solutions, it's hard to really think of one that doesn't 'hurt' people even indirectly, but I imagine that improving the accessibility of contraception (and the ways that contraception is talked about in classrooms) would be a short-term help.

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Kasic
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So, what are your views on the idea of overpopulation, is it a clear and present danger to us?


Overpopulation is quite a serious issue, for a number of reasons ranging from moral, practical, sanitary, and financial purposes. Having more people means more of everything is required and there quite simply is a limit. We cannot support ourselves at our current rate of growth which will lead to a die off eventually because either we stretch our resources so thin no one has enough, or somehow determine who gets enough which would be unfair in some way to the others.

There is no easy solution for it once it happens. We're already reaching the point where it's becoming a large issue anyways. You can't just kill off people.

If it is, then what do you propose should be done about it?


The best possible solution is to stop it before it gets any worse. Once we reach that point things are going to be ugly no matter what we do.

Really...a one/two child type law is the only way I see this happening. Not that I am saying this is ethical or right, but people won't change their ways enough to have an impact otherwise for a long time, once the problem has developed to a large extent. Generally speaking, the amount of children a family may have depends on the education of the women. In modernized countries, the population isn't growing at such an alarming rate, but in African countries and some South American ones, along with India and other notables, the average amount of children per family is much, much higher.

People simply aren't logical enough or knowledgeable enough to realize that having 3+ kids is not a good thing. We don't need more people by any means, and could do with a few billion less.

, but I imagine that improving the accessibility of contraception (and the ways that contraception is talked about in classrooms) would be a short-term help.


It does help and you can find examples of that in many modern countries, however the population boom isn't coming from countries where the accessibility of contraception and education along with it is readily available.

We only have so much space and resources and at this rate we will eventually reach the point where choices will have to be made, and the further along the path we are the harder those choices become.
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Really...a one/two child type law is the only way I see this happening.


The only way I could see a limit on children working is if it allowed for the person to have at least one of each gender. Once you had at least one girl and one boy you're at your limit.
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The only way I could see a limit on children working is if it allowed for the person to have at least one of each gender. Once you had at least one girl and one boy you're at your limit.


Ever read the book Ender's Game? In it the world is over-populated and their solution was to make it so that the first two children born got government supported/paid schooling and what not, whereas any that came after would mean that you would lose all that government support and have to pay for everything yourself. Not to mention you were a social enigma if you had more than two children, and that any children past that point were also picked on/bullied because of it.

So you could have more than two children if you wanted/were rich, it just had a lot of downsides and there were a lot of upsides to having only two.
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atleast not a 1 child law like in china. the new generation is unable to work enoufg to pay for the parents and grandparents old day.
in china they might slip and slide whit the problem because the government has enoufg money and resources but not endless either. but when 1 of the western countrys in debt would do the same. they are financialy going down all the way.

2 childs might work. 3 might work aswell because not every1 want to have 3 or even 2. (or 1 like myself)

Kasic
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3 might work aswell


No, it wouldn't. The population would still be growing. An average of 3 children per family, even with deaths taken into account, still increase our population ever faster the more people we got.

We need a plan that results in there being fewer people, until we reach a point where we change that average to something that will stabilize the population growth.
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No, it wouldn't. The population would still be growing. An average of 3 children per family, even with deaths taken into account, still increase our population ever faster the more people we got.


but the average wont be 3. like i explained after your quote.
in some countrys it will be 2.? and others 1.?
and average of 3 would mean that 100% of the people gets the maximum of 3 kids.
no way thats going to happen.

We need a plan that results in there being fewer people,

well the easyest way is to just kill 3/4 of the population. then we can **** like rabits the next 200, 300 year again befor we have to kill 3/4 again.

a other plan would be to close all hospitals and medical research centers. they are the 1 causing most of the problem.

but i guess you want a not harmfull plan. i guess that will be impossible.

until we reach a point where we change that average to something that will stabilize the population growth.

stabilize the population growth?
it will still be growth...

we could kill 2 people eatch second so that the amount of people dieing and being born are getting more closely.

it's 1 side or the other. less being born (2 per sec) or more has to die (2 per sec)

(3 people die and 5 people are born every sec... source: nat.geo.)
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So, what are your views on the idea of overpopulation, is it a clear and present danger to us?

It only is because we fail to take the necessary measures to support all the worlds population. But the problem isn't that there aren't any ressources. It's the ressource allocation that should be reworked.

Who contributes to the growing of the population? Mostly China and India. China has their one-child policy, and it's population will fall sometime. India, I don't know, it could be a problem.

But if all countries were industrial countries, I think the problem would be much smaller. This could be a theoretical solution.
partydevil
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i did some digging and found a other solution for overpopulation according to Hans Breed.
it's a "architect, architectural theorist, philosopher"
and he came up whit the idea of &quotyramid city", read over his site. it's realy interesting.

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well the easyest way is to just kill 3/4 of the population. then we can **** like rabits the next 200, 300 year again befor we have to kill 3/4 again.


That is the worst solution ever... Your saying that we should just let the population go wild and when it becomes a problem just kill of billions of people? Are you joking?

we could kill 2 people eatch second so that the amount of people dieing and being born are getting more closely.


I really hope your joking.
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The only way I could see a limit on children working is if it allowed for the person to have at least one of each gender. Once you had at least one girl and one boy you're at your limit.


Why not two children per couple? It is not unlikely that some people might have 3 daughters and one boy, and that would be doubling the population.
partydevil
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I really hope your joking.


yes for now.

but it's possible that it can happen in some future war over resources like food. but only if we can't find solutions for the minor problems causing the biger problem. we are on the doorstep of the flat of problems it can, maybe, in some theoratical way (i hope i stretched that part long enoufg ) happen.
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well there is a upside to have an huge population quote

a higher population means more geniuses
frodo86
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a higher population means more geniuses


But a lower population means less idiots.
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i don't think overpopulation is that imminent. Also, over population is the whole topic of the Shadow Children Series, (Among the hidden, among the barrons, among the enemy, etc.)

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First we need to stop celebrating these overly large families on television, at least in the states. The Duggars are contributing to overpopulation seriously. I know my husband and I want to stop at two children, possibly three based on what we have (two boys or two girls, then we'll have a third) or if his younger brother or my brother don't have kids, we won't feel bad having more than two.

I do agree that contraception availability, and discussion about contraception more openly would be a big plus.

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