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Yeah if you say anything negative about the site they lock the thread. The mods and admins are basically jerks. I'll probably get in "trouble" for expressing my opinion too. Just watch. Oh btdubs welcome to hell. XD jk

Yeah if you say anything negative about the site they lock the thread. The mods and admins are basically jerks. I'll probably get in "trouble" for expressing my opinion too. Just watch. Oh btdubs welcome to hell. XD jk

Just so we are on the same page, this thread is what you're asking about, correct?

Your criticism of the flash games that encourage premium content is outside the jurisdiction of ArmorGames's submission of flash games; if flash game developers wish to incorporate premium content into their games, then they may. Unless, of course, games actually made by ArmorGames developers have the premium content you're ornery about, then you're welcome to dispute how they implement the premium content and the manner they do so.

Your second argument is dealing with the use of premium content and whether the inclusion of premium content in flash games can be considered a "free flash game", correct?

In this, I will compare Phage Wars with Adventure Quest. What is the difference between the two, besides genre? They both have premium content, so they must not be "free to play" flash games, right? Well, it's a little less black and white. See, unlike Adventure Quest, Phage Wars and other flash games we have to offer are 100% free to play. Now before you quote outside the context, let me continue.

What does this mean? It means you can play the game all the way through 100%, master the game, know all bounds and features of the game, and not miss anything crucial and important to the flash game. The premium content are extra gismos, gadgets, and abilities to make the game experience more enthralling. It doesn't distract you from the main event and it doesn't prohibit you from accessing the game if you haven't bought content. Adventure Quest, however, is notorious for doing exactly the opposite. If you wanted to complete the entire story for the game, you ****ed well better have paid your $40 dollars. If you haven't, you access parts of the story and get left out for the others. The "X-Guardians" will know the full extent of the story (which is probably god-awful), while you're left being forced to nitpick. The beauty of these flash games is that you're never going to pay in order to progress. Now before you quote me again, let me continue.

So there's something called demos as well. Demos to a lengthy flash game that is an advertisement of sorts to showcase the game for little bit, then redirects you to the site where you're to pay to play the full content. Technically, what we have, these demos? They're still 100% free. Sure, you're still left wondering about other episodes, but let me give Robokill as an example. Before Robokill was submitted, there was Robokill Trainer. It gave us a couple missions, showed us what the game was about, then it redirected us to the main site. For all intensive purposes, that was 100% free. It didn't have us pay to progress further in the demo. Then the "full" Robokill was submitted. This gave us one whole episode, which was a full story, of game to complete. 100% free. The other three episodes, different sets of content, was up to the player on whether or not you wanted to play more episodes. On the other site. We didn't advocate having you pay to progress further. That was all them.

So now your third argument was about how premium content items are giving players an unfair advantage, correct?

So now my counter-argument. How does this obstruct the Free Player from winning? Using both Phage Wars and Shell Shock Live, it is not an impossible chance to win against a Paid Player. These games are all about skill. The way I see it, this premium content gives players a different perspective on strategically playing, different ways to combat opponents. It's not an "automatically win against a Free Player" code (that would be hacking/cheating), it's giving a player more items because they paid for the developer's flash game.

1. Implement tools to filter games by the presence of paid content. Even in a well-balanced game, the presence of in-game ads for paid content can be distracting, and an unwelcome disruption to casual gamers who specifically come here for games which are supposedly free.

2. Educate game developers on the difference between "fair" and "unfair" paid content, on how to integrate their paid content into a game without it being obtrusive, and how to accept that not every game is going to make money -- the market owes the developer NOTHING -- it's up to the game developer to cater to the market successfully, not the other way around.

The mods and admins are basically jerks. I'll probably get in "trouble" for expressing my opinion too.

Can i just chime in with a good luck to playing the game elsewhere, where you'll still require the premium content [as it's not added in by AG] :]

he mods and admins are basically jerks. I'll probably get in "trouble" for expressing my opinion too.

Of course you won't get in trouble for speaking out. I completely welcome your criticism of the moderation team's Jerk Level while we tirelessly clean up the forums of spam, advertisement bots, flaming, libel, plagiarism, and exploitation without going off the rails and complaining how "the users have it good". (Oooh, another Red Herring. Me gusta.)

Let's not forget the fact that it was quickly turning into a flame thread.

People chime in with well-informed correct and valid comments, you tell them to shut their filthy peasant mouths. Then another, different user walks with his troll face on and sets you up all nice and purdy to flame you.

Nothing about it was going anywhere near a good place.

You sorta made your point. Then showed that you were incapable of entering a legitimate discussion about the topic at hand nor were you able to act in a somewhat civilized manner to a fellow user. So gratz.

What was the point of even having your thread, where you make a point, but refuse to listen to the input of others, based on the whimsical grounds of them not profusely acceding to your own arguments?

So yes, let me reiterate the best solution tailor fit for your craving for equality. Ask the developer nicely if he or she in the future can implement a system to separate the serious folk who are willing to pay, and the casual gamer. That way, you now have no right to complain about being left in the lurch without half the content. Premium content is premium for a reason.

Oh well, looks like Frank highlighted my dearth of recent Flash Gaming experience. So scratch that, and just roll with the punches.

Devoidless: I think you're mistaking question-begging and rhetoric for a valid response. Nothing that individual said was correct, on-topic, and not already addressed in my original post. While I don't object to people disagreeing with me, I insist they do it on a rational basis -- straw man projection and empty assertions do not qualify.

nichodemus: see above.

Jefferyinspiration: I didn't say I was leaving for good, just that I wasn't coming on "as frequently" as I used to. And of course I'm going to follow up on the topic I created; did you have an actual point of criticism, or are you just going to misrepresent what I said and then attack that?

Freakenstein: I'm glad you're being civil, but I'm afraid I'm having some trouble parsing your post into a coherent argument.

However, to try and address what I think the gist of your post said, I have no problem with demos (although I don't play them); I have a problem with "free" games which aren't functional until they're paid for. That's deceptive, sneaky, and borderline extortionate, because people have a natural tendency to want to protect investment, and time is an investment. Yes, nobody's threatening to break anyone's knee caps, but it's dishonest to only make it obvious a game must be paid for to get a working product, after the gamer has spent multiple hours playing.

Devoidless: I think you're mistaking question-begging and rhetoric for a valid response. Nothing that individual said was correct, on-topic, and not already addressed in my original post. While I don't object to people disagreeing with me, I insist they do it on a rational basis -- straw man projection and empty assertions do not qualify.

nichodemus: see above.

"free" games which aren't functional until they're paid for.

I have a problem with "free" games which aren't functional until they're paid for.

Yeah if you say anything negative about the site they lock the thread. The mods and admins are basically jerks.

However, to try and address what I think the gist of your post said, I have no problem with demos (although I don't play them); I have a problem with "free" games which aren't functional until they're paid for. That's deceptive, sneaky, and borderline extortionate, because people have a natural tendency to want to protect investment, and time is an investment. Yes, nobody's threatening to break anyone's knee caps, but it's dishonest to only make it obvious a game must be paid for to get a working product, after the gamer has spent multiple hours playing.

: I didn't say I was leaving for good, just that I wasn't coming on "as frequently" as I used to. And of course I'm going to follow up on the topic I created; did you have an actual point of criticism, or are you just going to misrepresent what I said and then attack that?