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toemas
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Is abortion ok? I donât think so. The babies that these people are killing is wrong, some people say that itâs not a person that itâs a bag of cells or a fetus and not really human being I have to disagree

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Jerrbear65
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If life really means that much to you how do you justify the increased risks involved in making abortion illegal?

I cannot justify that, and I never said that it is that important to me I just find it wrong taking away or preventing another life.
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I cannot justify that, and I never said that it is that important to me I just find it wrong taking away or preventing another life.


You're preventing a potential person by just wearing a condom. You're even preventing potential people by not keeping a woman continuously pregnant.

It's life throughout the entire process, The fetus is just the next step up from sperm meets egg which is just the next step up from sperm and egg. That's why we should focus more on when personhood begins to emerge, Because when that does emerge that is when we are talking about the life of someone.
Kasic
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I just find it wrong taking away or preventing another life.


Except in ****, right? Why is that? What makes you feel that it's justified in those cases?

Going to go along with...
-Child isn't wanted
-It was forced on the would-be mother

Isn't that the exact same for every woman who gets pregnant and is denied an abortion? They didn't intend for it to happen and they are having the child forced on them.
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Well guys think about this how would you like to have been that fetus (baby) that got aborted out of the woman? Never have been able to live a life


I wouldn't be able to have an opinion on it considering I'd be a fetus.

Hahah so your saying that you should take out a kid from the world because of money, terrible point in my opinion


Without money, one cannot live. Or, cannot live a semi-pleasing life. You are ruining your own life, the child's life, and in the end, the entire community's life, all because you are poor.

Also you may call kids annoying but remember you were once an annoying kid


Yes, but that was 20+ years ago.

Please one kid would not take away nearly enough food, oxygen, clothing etc... But I know you will say oh but what about the other hundred thousands of abortions.


Let's say 1 child, over the course of 10 years, will suck in (random numbers) 200 litres of oxygen (much more, but whatever), eat a few tons (let's say 10) and drink a whole lot of water. Multiply that by a few million. The loss is very noticeable.

I would hate that if I were told that, but I would still have a life that I make out of it. You make your life how you want it, you go around these obstacles, if you're born without your birth mother you will be calling that first person you live with you will be calling 'mom, mommy, mother', and it is up to her to tell you the truth


So you consider it responsible to pass on your burden unto others because it's irresponsible to abort?

...and is Patriotism bad?


What does patriotism have to do with sexism?

They should not have sexual intercourse if they don't want a child.


And with that falls anyone thinking you're an adult. Or maybe you've just never done it.
Sex is a wonderful thing. If people are preventing themselves from getting diseases, unwanted babies etc. then they sure as hell should have sex all they want (figuratively speaking, of course)
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I think it's sad that some people think sex is merely for procreation, and see it as necessary evil (though most of those claiming to think so are hypocrits for sure). It is a very important social and relationship act and is best when enjoyed, not 'executed'.

Jerrbear65
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One reason to be anti-pro choice is that Rick Rhymes from Walking Dead says that it is not ok, so the Directors also do not find it ok so there multiple people that find it not ok.

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One reason to be anti-pro choice is that Rick Rhymes from Walking Dead says that it is not ok


Just because some celebrity is against abortion, that doesn't mean we should be influenced by their opinion.
If we were to do listen to everything celebrities say, and do everything they do, the world would be a mess.
I'm sure you'll find a similar number of celebrities for and against abortion.
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One reason to be anti-pro choice is that Rick Rhymes from Walking Dead says that it is not ok, so the Directors also do not find it ok so there multiple people that find it not ok.

There are also many people thinking it's ok. Think of just about any opinion, and there will always be multiple persons on earth holding that opinion too. It is thus not a reason, and if, a horrible one.
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One reason to be anti-pro choice is that Rick Rhymes from Walking Dead says that it is not ok, so the Directors also do not find it ok so there multiple people that find it not ok.


Where to start...

1) The opinion of one person (who is fictional for that matter) is a horrible reason to use in an argument. This is an appeal to authority.

2) Just because one character does or says something does not mean that action or view is endorsed by the directors. This is also an appeal to authority.

3) Multiple people holding the same opinion without a given reason is a horrible reason to also hold that opinion.
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One reason to be anti-pro choice is that Rick Rhymes from Walking Dead says that it is not ok, so the Directors also do not find it ok so there multiple people that find it not ok.

Hey guys, I'm pretty sure that's a joke, not meant to be taken literally.
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Hey guys, I'm pretty sure that's a joke, not meant to be taken literally.


if so then it's not jokey enough.

seeing that the daily show is 1 of the best sources for news. (by many americans) i can believe anything being said as those peoples actual thought.
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Abstinence only ha shown to be horrendously flawed.

Oh really? Facts please.

People will have sex for pleasure.

Of course, nobody is stopping them. Just wear a condom or take the pill.

Sex is a wonderful thing. If people are preventing themselves from getting diseases, unwanted babies etc. then they sure as hell should have sex all they want (figuratively speaking, of course)
Although it is impossible to achieve 100% defence from STD's even with protection. If everybody had sex all they want with whoever they wanted, the whole world would eventually end up AID's.

It's life throughout the entire process, The fetus is just the next step up from sperm meets egg which is just the next step up from sperm and egg. That's why we should focus more on when personhood begins to emerge, Because when that does emerge that is when we are talking about the life of someone.

If you leave a sperm cell alone, nothing will happen. If you leave an ovum alone, nothing will happen. If you leave a zygote alone, something will happen. There is a difference between the two. As soon as something begins to grow into a person, that is where I draw the line.
Kasic
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Oh really? Facts please.


The facts are pretty much common sense, but here you go.

Article

States map

If you want to look up which states teach abstinence only education and compare state by state rates, go ahead.

If everybody had sex all they want with whoever they wanted, the whole world would eventually end up AID's.


No one is saying that people should though.

As soon as something begins to grow into a person, that is where I draw the line.


You can draw it there all you want. It's not enough of a reason to make abortions illegal.
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If you leave a sperm cell alone, nothing will happen. If you leave an ovum alone, nothing will happen. If you leave a zygote alone, something will happen. There is a difference between the two. As soon as something begins to grow into a person, that is where I draw the line.

All three are just cells. Simply because one naturally has the developmental potency to grow into more cells, doesn't make it untouchable all of a sudden. No fully developed nervous system means no human, and also no pain. And &quototential to become something with a lot of luck" should not be placed higher than life planning of the mother.
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Of course, nobody is stopping them. Just wear a condom or take the pill.


What if the condom breaks or the pill fails to work?

If everybody had sex all they want with whoever they wanted, the whole world would eventually end up AID's.


This may eventually happen, anyway.
Or at least a high percentage of it, anyway.

As soon as something begins to grow into a person, that is where I draw the line.


I don't really understand why you feel that way.
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