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hawkeye
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We all know that the Wii failed to keep up with the other consoles because of it's capabilities and graphics. Wii U will be keeping up with the PS3 and Xbox 360 but that means it's far behind. Will it be able to keep up with Microsoft and Sony's newer game consoles? ( I don't know anything about new consoles from Microsoft and Sony. )

Will the Wii U be worth it or at least stay alive for longer period of time?

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KentyBK
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Wheeee correction time

Yes, I was bored.

After half a decade, the market's wizened up, and the Wii's starting to fall in sales of games and consoles (Mind you it still has the highest total console sales, but month-by-month the 360 seems to always come out on top nowadays).


Which has exactly nothing to do with &quoteople wisening up about motion controls (as if such a thing is inherently bad)" but with the fact Nintendo has basically left the Wii to die since they announced the Wii U and went on to make first-party 3DS software. It's no wonder the sales are falling.

The Wii's problems weren't with its technology (too much), the real troubles lay with the wonky controller. The non-gamepad form of the Wiimote made putting all but one of this generation's GOTY's (Oblivion, Bioshock, Fallout 3, Uncharted 2, Red Dead Redemption, Skyrim/Skyward Sword) on the tiny white console. It's a shame, but the motion gimmick is what sold the buyers, not the developers.


You mean the same Non-Gamepad that looks pretty eerily similar to a NES controller?

Rayman Origins


A game which got released on just about every system, including the Wii. Also Classic Controller support

Don't give me that Gears of War nonsense, it may have been a decent enough game, but Viva Pinata was truly the standout title that was bright, colorful, innovative, and was a blast to play. It demonstrated truly what the new generation of consoles could do, something that Gears of War could only hope to build upon using Halo's tower of quality rather than actually manifest in its own name. All this great and powerful innovation, from a game "geared towards little kids".


If any of that were even remotely true, it wouldn't have been such a commercial failure by first-party game standards.

Well, we'll have to see where Nintendo goes with its 1st-party games.


That one's pretty easy to predict. More Zelda, Mario and Smash Brothers. Also inevitable Mario Kart.

'Tis true, but mind you that that's an extraneous purchase, with an overwhelming majority of Wii games being developed with the Wiimote-Nunchuck system in mind, a control scheme that is a far cry indeed from the traditional gamepad archetype seen in the 360 and PS3's controllers.


Oh noes! It's almost like they're giving different control options. OBVIOUSLY they're not going to put priorities in the non-Standard control scheme, but they're actually giving you plenty choice most of the time (atleast where it's applicable and doesn't require certain motion capabilities). The Classic Controller is actually pretty well supported. Not to mention required to play Virtual Console games. Although admittedly, it's pretty stupid that it isn't supported by most first-party software.

I really hope that the Wii U will not be treated like badly like the Wii.


How was it treated badly? If by treat badly you mean completely outsell the compitition then I'd say it needs to be treated worse.

Not even that, but it would show that the Wii U is capable of expanding its title library to multiple demographics in such a way of the 360 and PS3 (we're not seeing the new consoles for those in at least 2 more years). The Xbox has Gears of War, but it also has Viva Pinata. The PlayStation has Resistance, but it also has LittleBigPlanet.


Which are all single examples. And since you *already* showed the Wii has a few more mature games in its library, what exactly is the Wii U supposed to do differently?


I love how everyone puts down the Wii now days but when it first came out everyone loved it. What made the Wii great was that it was unique. You got to use your body to play the game. There was nothing else like this.


Quite frankly, the hate the thing's getting is actually less than it got at launch, where most of the internet was mocking it. Gamestop actually made an article predicting the Wii's success. Except it was that year's April Fools joke.

Also, I wonder why everyone is associating the Wii with "full body movement" (unlike say, Kinect) when you really only need to move your arms, if that. One does not need to do a full arm-swing to play Tennis games. :V

Oh well. /rantmode
hawkeye
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I really hope that the Wii U will not be treated like badly like the Wii.

How was it treated badly? If by treat badly you mean completely outsell the compitition then I'd say it needs to be treated worse.


Anywhere you say Wii, The keep talking bad about it. It's being treated badly and no one is giving a sh*t about it. Whenever I talk about it anywhere no one is ever interested. They keep saying it's a baby's toy. It is being treated badly.

KentyBK It's nice to see that you take the time to correct all that.
hawkeye
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What I really hope to see from the Wii U is Legend of Zelda in Superb graphics like some other Xbox360/PS3 games or a Mario Galaxy with good graphics and with that Cartoon feel of the game.

I don't really have High Hopes for Wii U. What I expect to happen is that the graphics will be just like the xbox360/PS3 but when PS4 and Xbox 720 come out the Graphics on the Wii U won't be as good.

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Which has exactly nothing to do with &quoteople wisening up about motion controls (as if such a thing is inherently bad)" but with the fact Nintendo has basically left the Wii to die since they announced the Wii U and went on to make first-party 3DS software. It's no wonder the sales are falling.


I agree, that is a contributing factor. While we cannot know for sure what exactly is bringing down Wii's sales, we can pinpoint it to a few select trends, yours and mine being two of them.

You mean the same Non-Gamepad that looks pretty eerily similar to a NES controller?


That is eerie. But I remind you, you're comparing it to the NES controller. I'm all for respecting the classics, but there's been decades of controller innovation since then. And from there, the Wii sold its controller on motion, not button input.

A game which got released on just about every system, including the Wii. Also Classic Controller support


My mistake. I'll have some Humble Pie on that mix-up.

If any of that were even remotely true, it wouldn't have been such a commercial failure by first-party game standards.


Last time I checked, we don't play games and worry about how much money they made, we play them for their standout qualities. Don't judge a game by the dollar signs it sits upon, judge it by how creative, innovative, and aesthetically appealing it is.

Which are all single examples. And since you *already* showed the Wii has a few more mature games in its library, what exactly is the Wii U supposed to do differently?


That's just it, the Wii had a small amount of single example mature games with an overwhelming amount of cutesy games. There needs to be a balance, something that Microsoft nor Sony has perfected yet, but there still needs to be a balance.

Also, I wonder why everyone is associating the Wii with "full body movement" (unlike say, Kinect) when you really only need to move your arms, if that. One does not need to do a full arm-swing to play Tennis games. :V


Too true man, too true.

-Chillz
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Last time I checked, we don't play games and worry about how much money they made, we play them for their standout qualities. Don't judge a game by the dollar signs it sits upon, judge it by how creative, innovative, and aesthetically appealing it is.


true, but this thread started by stating the wii was a failure and not succesful. the succesfulness is in fact judged by the money it makes
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I wonder why everyone is associating the Wii with "full body movement" (unlike say, Kinect) when you really only need to move your arms

You don't need too move your whole body but you can if you want. People are just lazy. And my point is that it was before Kinect and all that stuff came out so it was new a exciting. The original Wii was also really hard to get when it first came out because it was sold out everywhere.
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That is eerie. But I remind you, you're comparing it to the NES controller. I'm all for respecting the classics, but there's been decades of controller innovation since then. And from there, the Wii sold its controller on motion, not button input.


You're not looking at the bigger picture here. Yes, of course the Wiimote is the simpler controller, but that's the entire point of why it exists in the first place. Expanding on current controller set-ups leaves you with an obvious problem: a higher entry-level for people not used to gamepad controls in general,non-gamers. Which in turn, narrows down your consumer base if you're unable to get new people in.

The Wiimote being based on the NES-design, one of the simplest controller designs imaginable, was a very deliberate move. It's also why I think the Wii U controller is fairly silly. They're just rehashing their old prototype controller concepts.

Last time I checked, we don't play games and worry about how much money they made, we play them for their standout qualities. Don't judge a game by the dollar signs it sits upon, judge it by how creative, innovative, and aesthetically appealing it is.


Yes, we play to be entertained. However, you can't discuss the influences of certain games on a particular console without discussing the public reaction and success of said game. Saying

Viva Pinata was truly the standout title that was bright, colorful, innovative, and was a blast to play. It demonstrated truly what the new generation of consoles could do, something that Gears of War could only hope to build upon using Halo's tower of quality rather than actually manifest in its own name.


doesn't even begin to make sense when the game you're comparing it to vastly outdid it. Especially considering Viva Pinata is a first-party game, who also have the added role of ensuring your hardware sells by being the awesome exclusives everyone brags about.

Let's not forget video games are a business. And while it's true that games exist to entertain, which is a subjective thing, let's also not forget that the most important games are the ones that have sold the most. It's not rocket science.

Innovation is meaningless is nobody is there to notice it.

That's just it, the Wii had a small amount of single example mature games with an overwhelming amount of cutesy games. There needs to be a balance, something that Microsoft nor Sony has perfected yet, but there still needs to be a balance.


Which hints more at a third-party problem than the hardware itself, because they clearly didn't openly oppose mature games being made for the system.

And my point is that it was before Kinect and all that stuff came out so it was new a exciting.


The thing is, motion controls are not the sole reason for the Wii's success like everyone tries to make it out to be, otherwise we'd have seen more buzz surrounding this badboy. Even moreso because the PS2 is the one console that actually sold more than the Wii.

I mean sure, they played a small part no doubt, but both the design of the Wiimote itself and the launch titles (i.e Wii Sports) played quite a significant role people shouldn't forget.

/rantmode2

Speaking of the Wii U and all, anybody else going to watch the conference on tuesday? I figure it'll probably gives us more stuff to go on.
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nintendo is in a down generation for their consoles but their handhelds are unrivaled so i think as long as nintendo stays strong in handheld than they couldnt really care less if their console flops as long as they sell X00000 amount of units

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Speaking of the Wii U and all, anybody else going to watch the conference on tuesday? I figure it'll probably gives us more stuff to go on.


I will watch it live but I don't have high hopes for the Wii U. I just think it'll match the PS3 or at least slightly as good.
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i think its really sad that people think that 18+ rated game are obviously better if you are 18+ then children games. i can tell you i havnt enjoyed any of those games and enjoyed many normal games that actually focus about other stuff then shooting, blood and sex


That is not the point. The point is that CoD is better than Spyro. If the wii ever gets Assassin's Creed, I'm all in. BUT IT WON'T. That is why i prefer Ps3, leave the Wii for the children.
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That is not the point. The point is that CoD is better than Spyro. If the wii ever gets Assassin's Creed, I'm all in. BUT IT WON'T. That is why i prefer Ps3, leave the Wii for the children.


cod is better then spyro in YOUR opinion. i dislike most games like cod and enjoy spyro. it all depends on your taste.
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cod is better then spyro in YOUR opinion. i dislike most games like cod and enjoy spyro. it all depends on your taste.


Hah, your right. But then again, when you walk into gamestop the guy at the desk doesn't say : THE NEW SPYRO IS OUT, he says THE NEW ASSASSINS CREED IS OUT! The majority wins.
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btw not being mean or anything, no hate no hate

KentyBK
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I'm just going to leave this here

http://images.4chan.org/v/src/1338763053825.jpg

KentyBK
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Dammit, sorry for the double post but it seems the earlier picture got.....highjacked <-<

Anyways, have a new controller announcement picture (which hopefully won't randomly change from me hotlinking it)

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2012/06/wiiupro530pxheaderimg513513.jpg

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