so you say that we need to let them kill us? do what we did in the last 2000 years, hope to get to 'jerusalem' {even that we dont have anything with jerusalem, we just trolled the arabs, to "get them mad" right?}
and that no warlord will decide to blame us for anything?
I don't think you've actually been reading anything of what I said. I have not disagreed unnecessarily with what the IDF does when they fight battles; what I do condemn is the blockade, the prevention of supplies to the populace and the rest. By all means, go after the Hamas fighters, and kill the fighters who kill your civilians.
But if you're going to tell the rest of the world that the Arabs are oppressing you, when in fact Israel is the one oppressing the Palestinian soldiers, then you obviously aren't reading a wide range of news.
but now, when you say that my country is wrong, and i need to live as as a minority in somewher else, just becasue the arabs want this and this and this and this, so, go to hell. i dont care anymore what go out of your hating mouth. i know that if you will hear that the eygiptean army attacking Israel you will have joy in your heart "the good arabs who want democracy and freedom driving away the evil mindwashed dicators jews".
so yea, you have 1000 queue and "witness" who claim to see my friends killing a village for fun. who say to people like you that my father, a tank commander in the first lebanon war run over houses full of childrens jsut to kill tham, because that what my evil warlord told him.
you say that my family members, who are 'settlers', that even that i am agaisnt almost anythink that i belive in, are cold blooded murdurers. that they do drive-bys on random palestinians {orphans handicapes who love unicorns}, again for fun.
I am going to repeat this very slowly, because obviously you have not read through my posts carefully in your hate filled rage.
1) I oppose the Israeli Constituition being
defined as based on Jewishness. Why? Because this is not democratic. Simple, and fair.
2) That is, I am
NOT claiming that the Jews have to be eradicated, or scattered, or oppressed. I have no idea which part of your butthole you pulled out the whole ''live in minority somewhere'' idea.
3) This definition based on Judaism is undemocratic, and goes against the message Israel wants to send to the world, that they are for fair treatment. Of course they treat their own Arab Israeli citizens fairly and don't discriminate, but by defining a country via one race is certainly NOT democratic.
and sure, if singapor was in our place, you would kill no one, just the very specific person who shoot. no no, you wull arest him in a democratic way, let his organizeison buy wepones {it not democratic to stop them} and let them get cover in kindergardens {its not democratic to shot ther}.
i will defend democracy in Israel to death {yea, we do have one}, but, in war aginst terrorisem you dont start your bull****.
Hey, I
never said you can't shoot the fighters. What I did say, is that the IDF does perpetuate oppression against normal citizens, and that is an abhorrence.
And of course we shoot terrorists. We shot a couple of Pakistani militants when they hijacked Singapore Airlines Flight 117 in 1991.
i sure that if you lived in 1939, you were one of the people who will say "its not democratic to Embargo germany". one who will sya "its awful what our soliders do in the battlefield".
its so obviuse. you, as a people, never had the spirit of a patriotic war. of giving blood to your country. for you, a country is just the office who give you a driving liecnsce. for me, its the thing that keem my homeland safe. its the thing that let me know, that no one can hurt me. not like my grandfather, who had to leave his family {his mother sent him away, saying "its ok, the neigbors love me, they wont harm me"}, who hed to flee all over europe from czech, to italy to Israel. and im glad he did it. some fled to USA, some to south america. he decided to make the hard choise, and went to Israel. he built the place i live in, moshav orot. and the father amd mother of my grand mother built the 'capital' of my Regional Council, beer-tuvia.
Don't know if you actually heard it, but we have had a mini-Holocaust here. The Japanese randomly picked out the Chinese males, and shot them. Go Google Sook Ching, and read about it.
You're not the only race that actually suffered genocide. In fact, I live a few kilometres away from one of the more recent mass graves of bones that was dug up. My grandparents were taken as slaves by the Japanese, and they lived through daily fear of ****, decapitation, beating, and extortion. And as much as we are Singaporeans, I'm Chinese too, and the millions of systematic deaths such as the massacres at Nanking, and the biological experiments on the Chinese people infuriate me. You're not the only oppressed race on the planet; others have had been slaughtered like animals just for our skin colour. So
don't tell me that we Singaporeans and Chinese don't know what oppression is.
the first "outside" jews who came here, dreamd to rebuild Israel. when they came, it was a wasteland, some people who were known as 'falah'. they spoke arabic, but were not fully arabic. only after Israel was started to built in, immigrents from all over the arabic world start to came. and sorry to tell you, Israel was always part of teh jewish peopels. what other jerusalem we speak in every hanuka, when we used to pray "for next year in the built jerusalem"? to the one in USA? i dont think so.
in my father side, i am the 15 Generation in Israel. after the The expulsion from Spain. but they should have stay ther, to not provoke the arabs?
Again if you
kindly read clearly instead of just outright excoriating my posts in such an non-intellectual way, you would realise I have no problems with Jews who have been there for generations. They own the land, they keep the land. What I have a problem with, is the fact that most of the Jews today are descended from Jewish refugees who just came in waves in the immediate waves post-WWII and claimed it as theirs. That is wholly unfair to the Arabs already living there.
the first "outside" jews who came here, dreamd to rebuild Israel. when they came, it was a wasteland, some people who were known as 'falah'. they spoke arabic, but were not fully arabic. only after Israel was started to built in, immigrents from all over the arabic world start to came. and sorry to tell you, Israel was always part of teh jewish peopels. what other jerusalem we speak in every hanuka, when we used to pray "for next year in the built jerusalem"? to the one in USA? i dont think so.
It was not a ''wasteland'', there was already a Palestinian majority with a Jewish minority living there when the refugees came.
for an exmple, castner. you called him a liar. i wanted to curse you for that. dontt ever call him that way again. he saved 3000 jews from dieing by the nazi, and even more. my grandfater uncle, may he rest in peace, was saved by his famos train. he told me how it was. i recored it, and 2 mounths later he died. i am the first person {exept his wife} that he speak with about what happened to him in the holocausto. and i can say that i trust him.
Then go on and be petulant and curse me. I don't actually think I called him a liar, and the only time I mentioned him was a long time ago; I have completely forgotten what I said of him, unless you bring up the link.
but, for the last thing, you do belive that if the hamas wont want the "diffrune and comepletly other" organizetion" from shooting, he wont be able to? give me a break. you are acting like they are good peoples. yes, i said it. i think that the hamas are bad. woooa!
You think they're bad, I think they're methods are bad, ruthless, but they carry the same message that most Palestinians want to hear, and believe; that Israel is the current oppressor. You're perfectly allowed to think they're bad, but likelise, I am perfectly within my rights to have my own opinions, instead of you shoving them down my throat.
i am not a racist man, i am a comepltly beliver of freedome to everyone, but like a jail dont give everyone freedome as said in teh Constitution, so does a enemy state. tehy are almost a comepletly diffrunte state. sure, there are yet people in the right wing that are against it, but they are almost free. so they shoot at us. do you realy belive that they just want to transport medicen???
its like saying that a known drug smugglet is undemocraticly not allowd to bring suveniers from mexico. that in WWII teh british, undemocratly, blockaded germany. these evil british!
The Gaza flotilla does come to mind.
now i see your link. dir yassin? are you a real idiot? it was in 1948, when a etzel battalion attacked it. i am not sure if you know it, but in a civil war, let me tell you a secret, every village is a stratigic target. becasue peopels from ther. yes, from ther, went to kill jewish people in other places. thats how civil war goes. it happened in spain, its happen here too. do you know the history of the spanish civil war? villgaes were seperate by franco'ists and by republicans, later even by communist and democratics and anerchists. and i am sure no one say "these bad republicans attacked an innocente franco village. you are so naive and Innocent taht its amazine. did you ever saw blood in your life?
1) No citizen is supposed to die in war, given the Geneva Conventions. In such modern times, people and states try their utmost to stick to that.
2) I'm not sure what you understand is having ''strategic value'', but in military terms, having ''strategic value'' means possessing a key overall part to the long term goal. Yet the Israeli commanders themselves admit it was not because of strategic value that they attacked the village.
i am tierd of arguing with you. its always a queue qqueue argueing, and you keep poping up things that just get me mad.
Then stop, and leave. I am simply presenting the other side of the coin; and if you can't take it, you obviously should just stay in your own insular bubble. I don't aim to cause anyone anger, but if it distresses you so much, then stop coming to argue.
i will die for Israel. whould you for singapor?
Just went for my army callup and medical screening, and will begin at the end of the year. So while we're on the topic of martyrs, what else do you want to compare? The weapons? Army food? The army preparation courses I've been through already? Or are you just trying to act all macho, as if others don't do national service too?
So in conclusion, you have your own opinions, that's fine, I have my opinions, that's my business. But what I strongly encourage you to do, is actually read the opinions and posts of others
properly before posting like a complete moron, and accusing others of something they have not said, whilst at the same time slamming others as ''hate-filled'' just because they disagree with
your opinions.
In a nutshell, I have never claimed it was okay for Hamas to shoot people. I have never said Jews need to be terminated. I have never said Israel has to be broken up.
Wake up, read properly, perhaps get new glasses, and stop acting like a total jerk in an argument if you want to be taken seriously.
