To those who will say robbers are thieves: Wrong. Thieves sneak, they do not want to be noticed, they are generally skilled. Robbers are thugs with a useless agenda. They generally come armed, with guns or a knife or the like.
And to those wanting more gun laws: IT WILL NOT WORK. Standard gun crimes are with illegal, easily obtained guns! They aren't fully licensed gun owners randomly killing people!
Also, if the teacher wants a gun, let 'im 'ave 'is gun.

0%. Thieves don't shoot people. Robbers? Typically no shootings, but the threat of the gun is a common occurrence. Armed robbery is fairly common, but home invasions are not. Home invasions while the people are home almost always involve violence, as people are just going to invite a stranger in to steal everything.

Most burglars are smart enough to wait until the owners leave such as on a vacation or when they're at work. If not for the lesser charges then for the chance that the burglar him or herself might very well get shot in the process, as happens here in Houston fairly commonly.

Uhuh. So people should in general not fear being shot by thiefs/robbers/whatever at home, nor should they hope to catch the thief/robber/whatever in action. So why the fixation on guns against those people?

He didn't shoot a random person walking around, he shot a person who was trespassing and attempting to break into the house. The fact the kid was wearing black only made him look more like a criminal, because there is a practical reason to wear black when you rob people's houses.

It seems as if I don't, but I know, I do. I just find it silly to even mention him being dressed in black.

Yeah because new legislation will make criminals follow the law cause they do already.

Who told you legislations are directed to criminals?

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_m … h-firearms

Not sure if that site is trustworthy. For example, Russia, Liberia, Somalia, Swaziland, Jamacia, Panama, Honduras, and Brazil should be somewhere on there.

i used the site aswell. untill i saw it hasn't been administred anymore since 2002 except for a little bit in 2006.

the site was valid and still is. it's just outdated.

Say whatever you want, here in Israel we dont fear that a criminal with a knife will assult you. Its just dont happen. If you do find a robber, and you are not a small kid, you start to shout and yrll at him, he will run away. they dont want to start fight. In cases like these, htey are like a bear. if you will catch them in the corner they might try to silence you, or push you away.

My neighbores dont have a gun. a robber tried to break in. the father get out with a lead pipe. the criminal ran away.

These peoples dont want to enslave you. they want to make easy cash. and killing dont make it easy.

And here is  question - so even if the poor kid was a thief. the father have a premition to be an executiner? execute the thief on the spot? even when we encouter terrorists we never shoot ot kill. even if he has knife. the most majority of them are in prison, not in cemeteries. Kids at the age of 18 but trained very well, who dont kill when they panic.

My problme with a gun is that when you hold it, you have the willing to "Shoot to kill". thiefs get knifes just so they will feel safe. most of the time they wont use it, maybe just to threat so you will shut up while they run away.

And as i said over and over again, Masterforger, when you ban guns people dont buy them in shops. police arest people with guns and no premition. there is no guns in most of the western world! only in USA you almost can "buy a gun from a vending machin" as the old say. Ther is no guns in Isael, exept police mans and soliders in vacation {and they are not allowed to use it in any case. only a direct threat on them, not even in the street, just when someone shoot at them directly}. and wallla! there are no cloaktowers snipers, and no crazy kids rampages, people dont kill the boss or crow workers, peopel dont get shot for how they dress {even if you dress like bin-laden. you are not the judge}.
adn want to hear a secret? the police does help. so maybe they wont catch a burgler on the spot. but its not your job in the modern world. you cant arrest people. you cant shoot peoples.

USA lieing to iself that gun are a normal thing fora modern country. its not. you make yourself look like a bunch of hillybillies who shoot afro-americans and hispanic peopels on the streets.

Say whatever you want, here in Israel we dont fear that a criminal with a knife will assult you.

Don't fear /= No reason to fear.

the father have a premition to be an executiner

He shouldn't have gone for kill shots, if that's what you mean. He also shouldn't have shot the gun at all if it could have been avoided.

So yeah. Father goofed and kid was messed up. It was a bad, uncommon situation that is not by any means an accurate thing to extrapolate all gun owners/situations on.

there are no cloaktowers snipers, and no crazy kids rampages, people dont kill the boss or crow workers, peopel dont get shot for how they dress

So a few events a year, in a population over 300 million...those people were messed up to begin with. Even if they didn't have a gun, they would have carried out their crime another way.

You're arguing from extreme events and trying to make it sound like they happen all the time. They don't.

you make yourself look like a bunch of hillybillies who shoot afro-americans and hispanic peopels on the streets.

You make yourself look extremely ignorant by basing all your views on over-exaggerated stereotypes.

Btw, Danielo. You're comparing how often stuff happens in Israel to the U.S.A. right? Well, take the amount of crimes involving guns you hear about and multiply them by 43. That's how it compares statistically.

So, one rampage by some crazy dude out of a population of 7 million is equivalent to 43 crazy dudes in the U.S.A. rampaging. You can call numbers all you want, but proportions need to be taken into account.

If you do find a robber, and you are not a small kid, you start to shout and yrll at him, he will run away.

Ok so what do you do when the robber wants to hurt you what if hes a rapist and your a woman? Lay down and submit to being *****?

USA lieing to iself that gun are a normal thing fora modern country. its not. you make yourself look like a bunch of hillybillies who shoot afro-americans and hispanic peopels on the streets.

Hey moron yes moron because you are to retarded to come up with a valid argument other then the race card.

Self defense is not a race issue.

"there is no guns in most of the western world"

LOL Yes there is, what about the cartels in mexico?

"adn want to hear a secret? the police does help. so maybe they wont catch a burgler on the spot. but its not your job in the modern world. you cant arrest people. you cant shoot peoples.

I don't know about Israel, but police in America are REALLY slow.

"USA lieing to iself that gun are a normal thing fora modern country."

It's normal to us, we don't have a huge ancient history full of sword fights, every war we've been in we have used guns.