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[NECRO] Catholics aren't Christians, and other myths (apologetics thread)

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Posted Oct 3, '12 at 10:48am

Jacen96

Jacen96

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Many times I have seen the phrase somewhere that Catholics are not Christians because of several reasons. I am looking for protestants who have a bone to pick and I want you to give support for what you say.

p.s. Claims such as the Catholic Church founded the Islamic religion,[26] The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as well as the Jehovah's Witnesses; persecuting Jews; starting the Holocaust: and founding Communism, Nazism, and the Ku Klux Klan; and starting the World Wars. Will be easy to refute because of the fact that many of these organizations are anti-catholic.

~~~Darth Caedus

 

Posted Oct 3, '12 at 12:14pm

woodchuck76

woodchuck76

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Being a Christian is, at it's foundation, a matter of belief about the status of Jesus Christ. Many people believe that Christ existed and was a good guy, but that belief is not sufficient to make those people Christians. Rather, what Christians believe about Christ that makes them a Christian is that Jesus was the son of God (Messiah, God incarnate, etc.). If you have this belief, I contend, then you are a Christian.

Catholics believe that Christ is the son of God. During mass, every catholic recites the Nicene creed. It is a statement of what they believe. Here is the part about Jesus:

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation, he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.

They sound like Christians to me.

 

Posted Oct 3, '12 at 2:18pm

danielo

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In the start, there were two major christians ways of beliving, the orthodox church and the catholic curch. the catholic belived jesus is God and had super powers, and the orthodox belive that jesus was a human, a prophet rather than a god who come down to earth.

Later, when martin lother balmed the Pope and the all system of cardinals and ranks beign corrupted, then there was a seperetion, seperating christianity from the pope and hte petriach {the orthodox church headmaseter}.

All of these noinses about catholic drinking kids blood, spoiling the wells and bringing ills to the livestoock are just a piece of rubbish, made by crazy cultist in USA, so tehy wont have to have any feeling for the pope and the christian church. because they want to be the pope. they want to be the leader of a church. how many of them are exist in USA? houndred if not thousends who belive they talk with god and stuff. all of them feel speicel, and want to be more speicel by decreecing the rank of the pope Compared to themselve.

That what i belive about these Charges. And just to make it clear fro all teh people who dont know me, im a jewish atheist, so i consider myself natural in that case, not Biased to any side.

 

Posted Oct 3, '12 at 5:21pm

MageGrayWolf

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9,782 posts

Knight

Yes it is quite ridiculous to claim Catholics aren't Christians. In truth it's one of the oldest forms of Christianity. Saying otherwise plays into the no true Scotsman fallacy.

 

Posted Oct 3, '12 at 5:24pm

Salvidian

Salvidian

4,299 posts

Does anyone know where that myth came from? I vote it came from a mentally insane person who thought he was a relative to Nostradamus. Seriously, it's ridiculous.

 

Posted Oct 3, '12 at 6:46pm

BRAAINZz

BRAAINZz

797 posts

This seems a bit backwards to me, being that Catholicism came first. Whatever. When was this myth created actually? I'm interested.

 

Posted Oct 3, '12 at 7:43pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,782 posts

Knight

My guess would that it came from the great schism in the 11th century. This is when the Orthodox and Roman Catholic churches split. Each believing the other to be the true path.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Schism

 

Posted Oct 3, '12 at 11:43pm

Jacen96

Jacen96

3,115 posts

Jack Chick is a big problem with tracts like this

Also I have seen people on the internet carrying on an argument that Catholics aren't christian.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation, he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.


In case you didn't know a new translation was recently released that changed some minor wording to more closely resemble the original latin text, this is the result.

~~~Darth Caedus
 

Posted Oct 3, '12 at 11:52pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,740 posts

The most common reason I've heard for people calling Catholocism not a Christian religion is for idol worship (saints/Mary) and because they have the pope.

 

Posted Oct 4, '12 at 12:09am

Jacen96

Jacen96

3,115 posts

The most common reason I've heard for people calling Catholocism not a Christian religion is for idol worship (saints/Mary) and because they have the pope.
We do not worship them, we ask them to pray to God on our behalf in the same way someone might ask their friend to pray to God on their behalf.

As for the pope not being in the Bible, this is based off of how we "worship" him and how in the Greek translation a different word is used for Peter and the rock Jesus will build his Church on, but this is only if you read it and assume it is in a different dialect than it actually is.

~~~Darth Caedus