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Posted Jan 18, '13 at 10:03pm

NoNameC68

NoNameC68

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Knight

Well, in many ways it does. Owning a military grade weapon is essentially pointless, even if it were modified for competition, the potential to cause harm is far greater than that of a handgun. As many of us have said before, we're not advocating the banning of guns, we're advocating stricter gun control policy. Background checks, reducing the type of weapons available to civilians, that sort of thing.

Why ban a military grade assault rifle? Such few gun crimes are committed with rifles. Such a ban would result in so many good people losing their guns, yet prevent so very few deaths it's not even funny.

It's like suggesting we make it illegal to ban swords. Sure, they aren't being used to kill people, but they have that potential!

This argument is stupid. An untrained civilian population has very little chance against the American military's technological advantage, and training. It's stupidity is further increased by the implication that America will magically transform into a totalitarian state in which people will unite whole heartedly and resist.

The LAST thing the American government wants to resort to is using military force against citizens on American soil. Even if it's impossible for civilians to defeat the military, such a fight would be a complete disaster for the government.  If the American government ever used its military on its own people, I can't tell you what would happen, but I can tell you that the government will have a much harder time gaining support from both citizens and foreign nations.

The U.S. government would likely bend to the people's will before they use extended military force to wipe everyone out. I could be wrong, but it's not as simple as who has the bigger guns. It is politics after all.

So the argument that we should own guns to defend us from the government isn't entirely crazy, because guns at least keep the government on their toes.

This man is truly insane. As this video shows Alex Jones, not only failed to debate anything relating to the subject at hand, but flat out refused to, despite that being the purpose of the entire debate.

Alex said a lot of crazy things, but he wasn't entirely wrong. He definitely bested Piers Morgan in debate.

Piers Morgan could have picked just about ANYONE to have on his show, he picked Piers Morgan and still lost the debate. I remember hearing someone say something along the lines of, "Piers Morgan went to the beach, found a scrawny kid to pick on, tried to kick sand in the kids face, missed, then tripped on his own butt."

Now, I realize I'm using an extremist as my primary evidence, but I simply cannot account for American citizen's paranoia. It's almost as if the cold war never ended.

It's impossible not to sound paranoid when you're on the verge of losing one of your freedoms.

It seems like Americans are obsessed with guns. How do Americans get this reputation? People suggests American's give up their right to bear arms, then American do everything they can to defend those rights. People wonder, "wow, how can anyone fight so hard to protect their rights? They must be obsessed." If you don't threaten to take away a man's guns, he's likely not going to obsess over them.

But what about people who obsess over guns all the time, not just in times of debate? The people who want to own as many high powered rifles they can? The people who want to blow up cars with a single well placed bullet? What about these crazy mo fo's? Well, how often do we see these people going around killing others? We almost never do.

When we look at gun crime, we have to look at how much of it is gang related. We must understand why gangs exist and how we can prevent gangs from forming in the first place. Gangs are the problem here.

whats your name so i can deport you?

RON PAUL!!!! THE CONSTITUTION!!! GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!!

Please stop spamming that message. Also, suggesting we deport people who question the 2nd amendment is just as bad as suggesting we change the 2nd amendment itself. I've been debating people about this for weeks here. In fact, I even made a thread about it a while back.

yeah but listen to me. yall over there are in a really bad government system.
We over here have the right to carry guns for a reason to fight against a tyrannical government like yall have.

That's not the libertarian mentality. Libertarians believe everyone should be able to say almost anything they want. We shouldn't censor people because we feel they're wrong, or because we feel they shouldn't have a say. Libertarianism is about allowing anyone with a voice to state what they honestly believe, with no masters necessary to give these people permission to open their mouths. Piers Morgan might be wrong, but I'll defend his right to speak his nonsense, even if I disagree with him.

If you're going to spread the libertarian message, you can't shove it in people's faces.

 

Posted Jan 18, '13 at 10:40pm

xxcommandoxx97

xxcommandoxx97

11 posts

ill agree on the last part noname. Im just trying to get my point across. Do u like Ron Paul?

 

Posted Jan 18, '13 at 10:42pm

xxcommandoxx97

xxcommandoxx97

11 posts

I didt realize the RON PAUL thing was spamming, just voicing my opinion about things

 

Posted Jan 18, '13 at 11:01pm

wolf1991

wolf1991

3,061 posts

Fair points, however, is it truly a violation of your rights to suggest legislation to restrict the ownership of guns from the mentally unstable? Or, to perform a background check to make sure of those buying a weapon?

Keep in mind NoName, that I'm not saying ban guns.

 

Posted Jan 18, '13 at 11:18pm

kklitzke

kklitzke

39 posts

i honestly think it is just a waste of time to even bring this issue to congress if they do restrict it it will just make a big problem with te NRA and even if they ristrict the limit on ammo in a clip it wont prevent a guy from bringing a fully loaded clip or even 5 guns loaded with 7 bullets so this is just a sense of false security they are trying to push on us it is just rediculous to even try this if they do i will be aginst the law every day and so will so many other americans

 

Posted Jan 19, '13 at 12:12am

NoNameC68

NoNameC68

5,072 posts

Knight

Keep in mind NoName, that I'm not saying ban guns.

Sorry, my bad.

Fair points, however, is it truly a violation of your rights to suggest legislation to restrict the ownership of guns from the mentally unstable? Or, to perform a background check to make sure of those buying a weapon?

I hate using the word "mentally unstable" because it's such a vague term that can be stretched over anything. Can we get more specific with what mental illnesses would prohibit people from buying firearms?

Many people jumped on the "we need to test people's mental health" after they heard about the Sandy Hooks shooter being autistic. What are we going to do, prohibit autistic people or people with autistic children from owning firearms?

One of Obama's executive orders states that doctors will be able to not only ask their patients if they or their family own any firearms, but they'll also be able to report that family to the government. I believe doctors should be allowed to ask whatever they want, but anything the patient says should remain between the doctor, the patient, and the patient's family ONLY with few exceptions.

 

Posted Jan 19, '13 at 12:55am

wolf1991

wolf1991

3,061 posts

You're right the term is too vague. I suppose it would have to be based upon a case to case basis in most instances. However, there are mentall illnesses which promote violent behaviour.

 

Posted Jan 19, '13 at 1:37am

Kasic

Kasic

5,591 posts

What are we going to do, prohibit autistic people or people with autistic children from owning firearms?

Yeah, pretty sure him being autistic wasn't the reason why he shot some kids...

I believe doctors should be allowed to ask whatever they want, but anything the patient says should remain between the doctor, the patient, and the patient's family ONLY with few exceptions.

I agree with that. Doctors should be able to ask people if they own guns and advise them whether or not that may be safe if they have some sort of mental condition. They don't need to be reporting it to the government though.

 

Posted Jan 19, '13 at 1:50am

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,691 posts

Knight

Can we get more specific with what mental illnesses would prohibit people from buying firearms?

The ones that result in violent behavior might make good candidates. Though I do agree it would have to be on a case by case basis.

Yeah, pretty sure him being autistic wasn't the reason why he shot some kids...

If he was autistic that would just make his shooting spree all the more odd.

 

Posted Jan 19, '13 at 8:31am

partydevil

partydevil

5,109 posts

If he was autistic that would just make his shooting spree all the more odd.

depends on what kind of autism he had. some can make them unreliable.
it's hard for me to explain it in english, so i wont try. i hope you understand it. or that someone els knows and can explain it for me.

 
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