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Posted Dec 18, '12 at 5:49pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,087 posts

mexico is a story on it's own. the unrecognized civil war over the drugs makes it much more dangerous as the usa. that mexico has atleast 3 times the homicide rate of any other country is due to this.
comparing whit a civil war gets you nowhere.

 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 9:51pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

11,842 posts

Knight

Mexico has fairly strict gun laws (160-163). Civilians can't legally own most firearms. This does nothing to stop cartels or other people who purchase illegal firearms (indeed there is a thriving market for unlicensed arms) but stops law abiding citizens from getting firearms that would be able to reasonably stop an assailant.

Research has shown a significant portion of their guns come from US border states, some of which have very lax gun rules.

 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 9:56pm

theEPICgameKING

theEPICgameKING

458 posts

@Darth_Caedus:

This fine piece of equipment will protect you more than a gun ever will! It's very strong, reinforced titanium and kevlar..."

Against guns yes, but what about knifes, and other melee weapons?

How about you consider the force behind a bullet, and the force behind a gun, before asking me that. A knife carries waaaaay less force than a gun, so does a baseball bat and other melee weapons. What, do you have a +4 Thor's Sledgehammer enchanted with Critical++? This isn't Dungeons and Dragons!

Here, this is the sport at its peak." And he pulls out a Crossbow, complete with crosshairs for better accuracy.

Crossbows, deadly as a gun, and easier to get a hold of. Also, crossbow has a shorter range, and some people might want to shoot from a distance.

Why do crossbows and other archery weapons have shorter ranges? Because they're weaker, and the parabola (that's the fancy upside-down-U-shaped quadratic equation) is much weaker as well. And crossbow's aren't exactly inconspicuous-I'd notice if you carried a crossbow. Go home, shoot a crossbow at a tin can, then shoot another tin can with a bullet. Compare the damage.

"THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS." It's in the constitution you idiot!
The shopkeeper merely smiles. "Of course, I have the perfect thing for you. This gun is covered under Second Amendment laws, guaranteed!" And he holds up a 200-year-old, civil-war-era musket, complete with rusty bayonet.

200 years, know your history, the united states itself is only 236 years old, the civil war was in the 1860's, not the 1810's.

I guess you dont know the defintion of a "Rough Estimate"? So i'm off a little bit, besides the numbers i'm accurate.

Also, I fail to see how the second amendment is limited to non-functional antiques. (although my family owns several that are quite functional, a civil war enfield rifle replica, purchased for use in reenactments)

Ask yourself this question: What did the Forefathers think of as guns when they penciled in that ammendment? They thought off a muzzle-loading black-powder musket. You mentioned your family owns a reenactment musket, so you should know how crap those muskets are. Compare 3 bullets a minute (If you're good), to 100 bullets a minute for, I dont know, an AK-47? AK's and their ilk are so overpowered (Comparison-wise), they shouldn't get a free ride on an amendment meant for muskets.

Other! That's my reason!" the Customer declares triumphantly.
The shopkeeper shrugs. "Very good answer sir." he says, while pressing a button under the counter. Two cops arrive at the shop in less than a minute and cuff the Customer.
"Hey! What the *PROFANITY* ARE YOU *PROFANITY* GUYS DOING? I'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG!" He yells, almost breaking the glass of the windows.
"Actually, you have." The Shopkeeper begins. "the "other" reason, by exclusion of the other reason, can only include wanting to kill or rob someone. Therefore, you were thinking about commiting a crime when you selected "Other" as your reason. Caught you red-handed, trying to buy the tools necessary to commiting a crime. You confessed to it when you selected "Other"! Take him downtown, please." The cops nod and take the Customer away. The last thing he hears from the Shopkeeper is "Oh, and I knew it was you all those times!"

Arresting someone for doing nothing is against the law, as he had committed no crimes.

Tell that to the Indefinite Detention Act, where the government can lock you up WITHOUT reason. Then again, conspiracy to commit a crime is more than enough reason for the average cop, why do you think "Attempted *Insert Crime Here*, is still punishable by something?

My response to you, Darth Caedus; back up your information. You've got the force, now just apply the technique of logic and supporting information to follow-through and actually cause some damage with that.

 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 10:03pm

404011xz

404011xz

218 posts

Hey guys, you realize more people die every year from car crashes than from shootings? Same with alcohol. Do you see them banning cars? Oh, and did you know, that mall shooting about a week ago why that man really comited suicide? His AR-15 had jammed, and as he was trying to unjam it somebody with a legal consceal carry gun pulled it out and told him to put his hands up. The shooters responce was go behind the counter, put his pistol to his head, then shoot himself? Why aren't they reporting that on the news? Because it doesn't help their anti-gun parade. You may not believe me but that doesn't matter, consider this. He had a full magazine on the floor and a pistol on him, why else would he shoot himself before unloading almost all his ammo?

 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 10:25pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,087 posts

Hey guys, you realize more people die every year from car crashes than from shootings and alcohol?

irrelevant
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Do you see them banning cars?

a car is not mend or designed to kill.

His AR-15 had jammed,....

no need to state the same thing in 2 topics. just pick one.

 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 10:46pm

404011xz

404011xz

218 posts

I was using that to show a goodside to conceal carry. Also how is that irrelevant? Cars and Alcahol aren't meant to kill people but yet they cause more death's than shootings? I'm not talking about war shootings, I'm talking about the robbery shootings and regular street muggings, stuff like that. Oh and you managed to mess up my quote, it was from shootings? Same with alcohol, don't quote unless it's accurate please.

 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 10:50pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

11,842 posts

Knight

Hey guys, you realize more people die every year from car crashes than from shootings? Same with alcohol. Do you see them banning cars? Oh, and did you know, that mall shooting about a week ago why that man really comited suicide?

Because a gun is also manufactured to kill, hurt, incapacitate. People explicitly use guns for that purpose, aside from other reasons. If you don't use it that way, you're doing it wrong.

No one manufactures cars just so that we can take them and go on a rampage.

Cars and Alcahol aren't meant to kill people but yet they cause more death's than shootings?

And yet cars bring much more benefits than guns. It has already been shown that for every life supposedly saved by a gun, many more are taken and harmed.

 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 10:58pm

404011xz

404011xz

218 posts

What about the settlers in the old days? They used it to survive from day to day by their main source of defence and food. How would they have faired against the wildlife in North America? They surely wouldn't of been able to control all that land as easily and explore it all. You know how guns have influenced our society helpfully? If you were in the old west would you want to be on your farm with nothing to protect you but a simple bow, arrow, or sword? I'm pretty sure exploring the wilderness that Grizzly Bear would of killed alot more explorers. And Nic, have you actually owned a gun before? It helps if you've actually owned, handled, and used it before to try and talk about it. Otherwise you don't really know anything about the item you are talking about. There are tons of forumms here I would like to post in but I don't know much about those things so I know I shouldn't post there.

 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 10:59pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,087 posts

Also how is that irrelevant?

Cars and Alcahol aren't meant to kill people

i think you answered yourself there.

anyway, cars have as purpose to transport
alcohol, should be in my principle opinion illegal. (note the principle)

Oh and you managed to mess up my quote

yea i know. saw that when i pressed submit.
(add a edit button AG!! it isn't that hard.)

 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 11:06pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,566 posts

What about the settlers in the old days?

If you were in the old west would you want to be on your farm with nothing to protect you but a simple bow, arrow, or sword? I'm pretty sure exploring the wilderness that Grizzly Bear would of killed alot more explorers.

And there goes your argument. We live in something called "the present."

Otherwise you don't really know anything about the item you are talking about.

You don't need to have used or owned a gun to know what they can do and to see the statistics on them.

 
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