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shortstopkid123
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Many parents argue about schools teaching evolution. Creationalists do not support or believe in the theory of evolution. It goes against their beliefs. They do not believe it should be taught because it apposes many peoples' beliefs. Do you think that it should be taught?

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Lets try not point out certain religions. I am saying creationalists for a reason.

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Salvidian
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I actually took a private class separate from school (Yes, I do these things) that taught evolution and the theory of evolution's effects on society. Now, for those of you who don't rightfully know me well, I am a Christian, so I was a bit hesitant upon taking the class. It was an extremely difficult class, although I received an entire year's worth of science life credit usable for a degree through most colleges. It was worth it.

Anyway, it's not about that. What I'm trying to say is that evolution is an extremely misunderstood concept, and it shouldn't be taught in order to change beliefs (or even influence them), but it should be taught simply because of its prominence in society. It's the same way, but backwards, with atheists; they should learn about religions simply because of their prominence, and more popular religions are so prominent that even the smallest little facts are somewhat of a necessitous piece of common background knowledge.

I'm also aware that most public schools are required to teach, to some extent, evolution in a life science class, like biology. I haven't taken biology in high school because I was exempt of the credit, but I have friends that took it two years ago and said the class focused largely on evolution. As a Christian, I say woo-hoo!

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What I'm trying to say is that evolution is an extremely misunderstood concept,


It's often misunderstood because people hear crazy things about it in the media or people talking about it who have no idea what it is they're saying.

it shouldn't be taught in order to change beliefs (or even influence them),


I agree that it has no bearing on faith, as it is an observable fact.

it should be taught simply because of its prominence in society.


It's &quotrominent" because of it's importance to its field. That's why it should be taught.

they should learn about religions simply because of their prominence, and more popular religions are so prominent that even the smallest little facts are somewhat of a necessitous piece of common background knowledge.


Yes, everyone should be educated on what others believe. Not only does that reduce or eliminate misunderstandings, it makes logical reasoning easier due to being able to look at things from the other side. You can't converse if you're speaking a different language, and when something means one thing to another than yourself, you may as well not even speak.

t I have friends that took it two years ago and said the class focused largely on evolution


It does. That's because evolution is basically the foundation of biology and relates to every living thing.
Salvidian
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It's often misunderstood because people hear crazy things about it in the media or people talking about it who have no idea what it is they're saying.


Yes.

I agree that it has no bearing on faith, as it is an observable fact.


Was referring to influence on religious faith.

It's &quotrominent" because of it's importance to its field. That's why it should be taught.


That and to clear up misunderstandings. You said it yourself.

Yes, everyone should be educated on what others believe. Not only does that reduce or eliminate misunderstandings, it makes logical reasoning easier due to being able to look at things from the other side. You can't converse if you're speaking a different language, and when something means one thing to another than yourself, you may as well not even speak.


Yes.

It does. That's because evolution is basically the foundation of biology and relates to every living thing.


If you look deep enough anyway. Biology can be taught without using evolution's principles, but it wouldn't be very practical.

This has got to be the weakest debate I've ever seen.
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Biology can be taught without using evolution's principles, but it wouldn't be very practical.

if you dont go in the history and only stay in the present. i dont see why evolution would have a meaning in it.

i mean... to understand what a flower is and how it works. or to know how a human body works, you dont need evolution.
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This has got to be the weakest debate I've ever seen.


You can only have a legitimate debate when two or more sides have somewhat equal standing. If there's not, all it comes down to is acknowledgements of validity from one side to another or misrepresentation of stances.

if you dont go in the history and only stay in the present. i dont see why evolution would have a meaning in it.

i mean... to understand what a flower is and how it works. or to know how a human body works, you dont need evolution.


Except that many of the "whys" and "hows" come from evolutionary theory.

To understand what a flower is, sure, you can just look at all the parts that are there. However, that's only skimming the surface.
partydevil
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However, that's only skimming the surface.

1st year biology is like this right?
Kasic
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1st year biology is like this right?


What they teach you in biology is basically the following.

-There's something called the Theory of Evolution that someone named Darwin proposed.
-Classification of organisms.
-What natural selection is.
-Basic structure of plant/animal cells.
-Basic functioning of cells.

They don't really go into depth on any of the subjects...
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I am a Muslim hailing from Pakistan and I was taught Evolution as a theory in my biology class.
I don't see any point in not teaching it.
If you consider your faith weak and fragile as such, maybe you should change it to a stronger one.
To quote a personal friend of mine

I find your lack of faith, disturbing.
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What they teach you in biology is basically the following.

thats not what i had to start whit. except the function of cells part.
but then there is the point that we didn't had all the info back then.

and doesn't sexual education fall in the 1st year anymore? the sooner the better, in my opinion.
Salvidian
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I think hereditary stuff is taught first year, but that's it for sex stuff.

partydevil
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I think hereditary stuff is taught first year, but that's it for sex stuff.

what? not how a penis and vagina work? what happens during sex and what can lead from it? no info on safe sex? etc. etc.

the hereditary stuff do not fall under sexual education in my books.
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That's taught during middle school nowadays. The education is still being done.

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It is not a fact and therefor should not be treated as such like it is. Only facts should be taught, the facts of it should be while the guess work shouldn't be or if it is it should be clearly stated that they aren't facts by any means. Since there is much debate on creation Vs evolution being taught then it should be as unbiased as possible teaching that which is fact and making sure that theories are understood to be nothing more than theories.

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what? not how a penis and vagina work? what happens during sex and what can lead from it? no info on safe sex? etc. etc.


For my school..that is taught during anatomy and physiology.

Then..there is "The Movie" usually shown sometime in late elementary school
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It is not a fact and therefor should not be treated as such like it is.


Evolution -is- a fact.

Only facts should be taught, the facts of it should be while the guess work shouldn't be


Please give us some examples of said "guesswork."

it should be clearly stated that they aren't facts by any means.


Except, again, what is being taught are facts.

making sure that theories are understood to be nothing more than theories.


A scientific theory isn't the same as some theory a random person makes up.

Anyone who says "nothing more than theories" doesn't understand that a theory is the highest things go in science. Theories describe processes. They are not "guesses." Some parts may be inaccurate, and if they are they are revised when found, but the entire idea itself is basically indisputable.
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