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Posted Jan 10, '13 at 12:50pm

EmperorPalpatine

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what happened to free will?

You're free to decide if you want to follow His laws or not.

 

Posted Jan 10, '13 at 1:15pm

Kasic

Kasic

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You're free to decide if you want to follow His laws or not.

I don't consider it freedom when you have two choices, follow supreme dictator by mindlessly worshiping him or choose your own path in life and be tortured forever after.

Not that the Bible ever says that we have free will, if I recall...

 

Posted Jan 10, '13 at 1:25pm

BigP08

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what happened to free will?

Christianity's version of free will:
You're free to choose not to follow me. But then you'll go to Hell, where there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Or you can do exactly what I say and believe in me without me demonstrating myself. Then you'll be eternally rewarded.
It's the equivilent of the mafia boss pointing a gun to your head saying it's your choice to pay him but he'll shoot you if you don't.

Some (myself included) do realize how screwed up it is, but half-heartedness is about on the same level as sin, or at the very least, shameful.They're told to put their lives fully into serving God [Deuteronomy 6:5]. . Anything less is like a disappointment to Him.

Fair enough. Although what I was thinking was that the religious that believe this law maybe don't think of it as much, and while they believe they are following all of God's laws fully, they wouldn't **** an infant every day even if they believed god wanted them to. Some might, but not the generally decent but misguided religious.

Who said they had to live together, they wouldn't have to look at each other, the rapist would just have to make sure she is cared for (and any children that may have resulted).

note, I am just theorizing.

You're not winning me over. Since you can get stoned for just about anything else, the rapist should be stoned. The woman should not be punished. As Kasic pointed out, marriage back then was the joining of a man and a woman. If your house was robbed and they caught the robber, the correct course of action is to punish the robber with jail or, in the bloody biblical times, torture and death. The robber doesn't become your roommate and share the rent. That's insanity.

Most religions have some way of saying "follow these rules to prosper", such as the eightfold path. Nearly all religions each claim to have the only correct set of rules/guidelines, as they all stem from someone's/something's views of right and wrong.

Even when we find things in these rules that are good, they aren't good because god said them. They are good because they are good. What is least harmful and most productive for people is in general how we derive our morality. Religion was created by primitives so naturally it had a bunch of primitive, misguided, sadistic and evil rules within it. If it came from an all-loving god it would look much different than it does.

 

Posted Jan 10, '13 at 6:39pm

partydevil

partydevil

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You're free to decide if you want to follow His laws or not.

and if i dont i got punished in hell for eternity.

now where exactly is the free will?

 

Posted Jan 10, '13 at 7:02pm

danielo

danielo

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They are Laws. You can murdure if you like dont you?
In the bible it said, the seconde commanment if i belive, "dont speak the name of the lord for vain / for no reason". And yet juhova withnesess say it every time they identify themselves. You dont say/write juhuva by this biblical law.
In Islam and judisem, you also dont draw God. Yet Christians made god as a old bearded man.

Maybe i try to say - the christians law are so minor and flexibel, so they look more harsh, as they come "from nowher". Judism and Islam are a 'life style' religions. Judisem, together with telling the story of the jewish peoples from the beggining, also give a very precise and strict code, along with stories of what happened to peoples who didnt done so. Most of them just show the Siner as a bad man, not even showing any punishment.

 

Posted Jan 10, '13 at 7:59pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

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now where exactly is the free will?

The consequence is considered seperate from the choice itself. ex: you can choose to put your hand on a hot stovetop, but you'll get burned. You're not restricted from putting your hand where you want to put it.

 

Posted Jan 10, '13 at 8:02pm

Kasic

Kasic

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The consequence is considered seperate from the choice itself.

That sounds fair at a glance, but when you look closer, you find that it's either God's way or hell. There's no other choices.

You're not restricted from putting your hand where you want to put it.

Only if one doesn't consider having a Howitzer constantly pointed at you and your family "not restricted from putting your hand where you want to put it."

 

Posted Jan 10, '13 at 8:55pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,673 posts

Knight

The consequence is considered seperate from the choice itself. ex: you can choose to put your hand on a hot stovetop, but you'll get burned. You're not restricted from putting your hand where you want to put it.

The difference is God set things up intentionally so that you would "burn your hand" if you did otherwise. If we are to go on the original sin bit God pretty much stacked the deck against us so that we would commit such a sin. If we are to further claim this God is omniscient, then God knew what that is exactly what would happen.

If Man Obeyed God

If you want to find more cruelty you can look through this list.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

And for a list of injustices.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/inj/long.html

 

Posted Jan 10, '13 at 9:03pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

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Knight

Forgot to mention there is some language in the video.

 

Posted Jan 11, '13 at 2:34pm

BigP08

BigP08

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The consequence is considered seperate from the choice itself. ex: you can choose to put your hand on a hot stovetop, but you'll get burned. You're not restricted from putting your hand where you want to put it.

As others have mentioned, there's a differene between "You can make your own choices and live with the consequences" and "If you don't bow down on your knees and worship me, I'm going to throw you into a lake of fire for eternity". God's making the rules of the game, he can't shoulder his sadistic reality as our fault for whatever finite crimes we committed. He made the place, and he made the rules of who does and doesn't get there. He is ultimately responsible whether he wants to admit it or not.

 
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