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Posted Apr 2, '13 at 12:52am

Bladerunner679

Bladerunner679

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@punisher- considering the fact that the ummayad dynasty, the ones who laid down the women's Muslim law of repressed dress, were also the same ones who eliminated women's equality in the beginning, I have a lot of trouble even taking your views with a modicum of respect. You talk of prevention, but all you use is the outdated method of a sexist organization. If someone is raped, blame the rapist. Prevention starts by teaching why it is wrong to rape, not something so shortsighted as repressing women even more. That is what you fail to realize, that in your quest to make women "safe" you have to defeat decades of progress that women have made all over the world, slowly turning them into the 2nd class citizens of biblical times, and the time of the ummayad and Abbasid dynasties. You may have good intentions, but your methodology is horrid. Remember, it is the rapists fault, not the clothing.

-Blade

 

Posted Apr 2, '13 at 6:26am

wontgetmycatnip

wontgetmycatnip

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Hey, Punisher, how would wearing more clothing have helped in the case of Steubenville anyways?

Also, what do you think female victims of other women and male victims should do?

 

Posted Apr 2, '13 at 8:11am

partydevil

partydevil

5,068 posts

And how If I may ask do they deal with victims in your opinion?

not like your nation does. i mean:

Saudi Arabia has the least number of reported rapes.
That might be something to do with the fact that two men have to witness it for it to be considered rape. The victim's word is not enough.

Also if an unmarried woman is raped, and comes forward with it, then she stands a good chance that her family will kill her, for he bringing shame onto the family.

and also do rape victims get punished for being raped.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … ictim.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … ltery.html

 

Posted Apr 2, '13 at 5:04pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,471 posts

the least number of reported rapes.

This. This a million times over. Sexual crimes are the most under reported type. If you want to use comparative rape statistics, punisher, don't. Especially in Muslim countries, where it's highly taboo. I assure you that just as many rapes happen in them, except it never gets reported or it gets covered up.

Your entire argument is faulty. Clothing does not prevent rape. Rape is not about attraction. Rape is not a woman's fault. Rape is not caused because a woman 'tempts a man' by showing some skin. Rape is not done by random strangers the vast majority of the time.

Every single part of what you are saying is wrong, punisher. Get that through your head.

The only thing your view does, punisher, is blame the woman who was raped, whether for being, 'careless' or 'asking for it.'

 

Posted Apr 3, '13 at 11:14am

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

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This. This a million times over. Sexual crimes are the most under reported type. If you want to use comparative rape statistics, punisher, don't. Especially in Muslim countries, where it's highly taboo. I assure you that just as many rapes happen in them, except it never gets reported or it gets covered up.

Your entire argument is faulty. Clothing does not prevent rape. Rape is not about attraction. Rape is not a woman's fault. Rape is not caused because a woman 'tempts a man' by showing some skin. Rape is not done by random strangers the vast majority of the time.

Every single part of what you are saying is wrong, punisher. Get that through your head.

The only thing your view does, punisher, is blame the woman who was raped, whether for being, 'careless' or 'asking for it'

That is where you get it wrong, I never said it is women's  fault you are assuming it.
Yes , women do get raped in muslim countries.
but this notion that it is reppressed here is wrong, sure at some places it happens but these things get reported most of the time.*at least here and pakistan)
if you say that in approppriate clothing is not a factoe in it, than you lack something very important called common sense.

 

Posted Apr 3, '13 at 11:31am

Kasic

Kasic

5,471 posts

That is where you get it wrong, I never said it is women's  fault you are assuming it.

By nature of your argument, that is what you are saying. If you don't believe it to the the woman's fault, stop peddling that pile of trash. Telling a woman to wear more clothes so she won't be raped is the same thing as saying it's her fault.

if you say that in approppriate clothing is not a factoe in it, than you lack something very important called common sense.

It's not a factor. Rape is the unwilling sexual assault on someone. Clothing has absolutely nothing to do with whether someone consents or not. Nor does wearing more prevent it.

Punisher, I'll say this again. Claiming that wearing more clothes/'appropriate' clothing is a bull**** attempt to make it the woman's fault.

"If she had been more sensible..."
"If she had not tempted him..."
"She shouldn't have gone there..."

Whether you believe it's the woman's fault for getting raped is irrelevant. That's what your argument is. If you don't believe that, stop blaming the woman.

 

Posted Apr 3, '13 at 11:34am

wontgetmycatnip

wontgetmycatnip

95 posts

if you say that in approppriate clothing is not a factoe in it, than you lack something very important called common sense.

Once again, this thread is about the Steubenville case. How would wearing more clothing have stopped the victim in this case from being raped?

 

Posted Apr 3, '13 at 11:49am

danielo

danielo

1,340 posts

Just for say, even a cheeck in a IDF uniform is still hot. It dosent matter. In the 18 centuries guys got turnd on by a women anckle.

 

Posted Apr 3, '13 at 12:15pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,471 posts

In the 18 centuries guys got turnd on by a women anckle.

Exactly. This is the flaw of your argument, Punisher. It's a slippery slope. Even if all women wore more clothing to 'protect themselves' then they would all be equally exposed to the possibility of rape, by your logic. I've said as much before. Wearing more clothing doesn't do anything, even if rape were about attraction. Which it's not.

Everything you're saying is false, period. Rape won't stop if women wear more clothes, and it won't stop if they don't. Clothing has absolutely nothing to do with the subject, it's only been scapegoated to blame the women, because men are the ones trying to shift the blame.

 

Posted Apr 3, '13 at 12:20pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,068 posts

Once again, this thread is about the Steubenville case. How would wearing more clothing have stopped the victim in this case from being raped?

the overal notion that some people think it is the womans fault in general is a bigger and better topic then just this 1 case.

@punisher
got nothing to say about that medieval policy of saudi?

these things get reported most of the time.*at least here and pakistan

they are not. woman have no freedom where you live. they can't report it by own will. and if they do. they most likely have to face more horror in the future, despite already been raped.

only i a few cases where it gets reported and there is proof from 2 males that it happens. the actual rapist is being punished. and thats the only thing you get to hear.

 
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