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Posted Apr 15, '13 at 9:39pm

royalguy

royalguy

92 posts

@ Guesty9999

A. this forum was to decide the colony leaderboard it has done that I think we are pretty much done here.

B. Your thesis on hover battles and bq masses is wrong. I see it happen everyday long standoffs still happen on the elite level every single day. Granted 1v1 marathons are long gone (if there ever were such things) but 2v2s the winner is the one who beats the opponents to a hover tank mass. You just need the skill to survive to that point therefore winning the game. I don't mean to rain on your parade. You just have to play 2v2. If my partner holds out 3 minutes there is a good chance of us winning he gets some help from me at 3 minutes if I posted. At the 5 minute mark if we are alive, not pinned, and I played my strong strategy 16 hover tanks are coming out to support the sphinx and 18 meds I at a minimum have out there. I don't mean to brag, but you need to understand the timing involved.

C. Have a nice day.

Royal

 

Posted Apr 15, '13 at 10:37pm

PowerOfSauce

PowerOfSauce

514 posts

At the 5 minute mark if we are alive, not pinned

This is when you realize that you're up against bads.

but 2v2s the winner is the one who beats the opponents to a hover tank mass. You just need the skill to survive to that point therefore winning the game. I don't mean to rain on your parade. You just have to play 2v2.

So I heard zing was looking forward to more great posts.

I'm sure you'll be happy now, zing.

 

Posted Apr 15, '13 at 11:01pm

royalguy

royalguy

92 posts

POS congratulations on post number 500. I am hoping to seal the cap on this forum post with the completed leaderboard.

1. MiamiBigAl
2. zachh
3. zing13
4. trying
5. Rummel
6. soccerdude2
7. chessmaster102
8. DesertFang       
9. Pillola
10. hezdog         
11. Kilean     
12. SoymasterYos
13. FascistCorps  AKA  Fission12
14. peterpandasaevang
15. NullOfPower
16. royalguy
17. clausse
18. dashman123
19. dext200
20. rappy123

 

Posted Apr 16, '13 at 12:54am

zachh

zachh

15 posts

Personally, I think that pillola and fission should be moved up.  DesertFang and chessmaster are both good players, but they not at the same level as pill and fiss.  When it comes to 1v1, 2v2, macro, and micro, pill and fiss got them beat in every category.

 

Posted Apr 16, '13 at 1:21am

fission12

fission12

63 posts

Alright, ill be serious here. 

This list is far from over. 

20.
Let's start from the beginning.  rappy123 isn't #20, as he definately can beat most of the people on the list.  He can 1v1 capi well enough, but his monarchy is stronger.  However, he still makes mistakes at times but has a proper grasp of micro + macro.  I would say that rappy would be around #7.
(7ish in rank)

19. dext2000  Dext2000 isn't bad at 2v2 but he isn't a pro.  He is still learning game mechanics and exculsively uses monarchy (and at times not too effectively).   However, he is a good player. Since he is still learning, the bottom of the list isn't unfair.  (20ish in rank)

18. dashman123  Dashy is a good player.  He has decent post and decent forge.  Not sure if he plays monarchy or not.  (probably 15ish or so in rank)

17. Clausse  Now, clausse and I disagree on some things.  If there were no influence units, clausse would be a good player.  However, he techs too much and cannot 1v1 too effectively.  He understands game mechanics, but not as fully as most pros do.

16. royalguy  Techs too much and relies too much on monarchy.  I suggest him being in the back 20, possibly #20.  Contrary to your beliefs, the game is decided within the inital rush, unless your opponent is mon ops.  Cannot rush effectively and doesn't understand game mechanics too well.
(rank 20ish)

15. NullOfPower Now bad player, likes post.  Cannot play forge.  However, he is rusty.  If he were at his full potential, he would be a worthy opponent.
Has arrogance problems at times.
(rank 15 ish)

14. peterpandasaevang I haven't 1v1ed recently.  However, last time I played him, he doesn't rush.  Seems to like teching BQs. 

(rank 20ish)

13. myself, FascistCorps.  My monarchy is horrible.  My commi is fair.  My capi is ok (against forge) bad (against monarchy) ok (against capi).  I don't like post that much.  My strong point is in forge.  I believe that I have a decent understanding of game mechanics.  The only people on the list who can pose a threat to me without monarchy are MiamiBigAL, zachh, zing, and Rummel, expecially if I am forge.

(probably 5ish)

12.  SoymasterYos  Funny guy, likes forge.  He doesn't exel in the "new school builds" and has some anger management difficulties if beaten. 
(#20ish)

11.  kilean20   Excellent post, especially capi post. Seems to understand monarchy builds well.  I believe that he has a good grasp of game mechanics. 
(#7ish)

10. hezdog  Good post and good forge.  However, he needs more experience and faster timing.  Sometimes doesn't take opportunities when they present themselves.

(#12ish)

9. Pillola  She is always a joy to have around.  Pill has decent capi and decent monarchy skills.  Is one of the better players in 2v2 and is quite dependable in such situations.

8.  DesertFang  Believes himself to be good, yet techs too much.  He cannot 1v1 well.  Doesn't understand game mechanics too well.

(#20ish)

7. chessmaster102

Smart guy, likes trying new things. (lol capi ops) Seems to prefer post over forge and has a good understanding of game mechanics.
(#13ish)

6. soccerdude2  This guy used to be...well... not too big of a threat.  He has gotten a lot better, adopted rushing, and can play well without monarchy (something many players struggle with today).  He is understanding game mechanics better and better.

(#6ish)

5. Rummel  Not much to say (he doesn't speak much himself as well).  Despite his hatred for 1v1s, his post is quite good.  Better post than most of the post players today.  I think his post is better than mine.

(probably 5ish)
4.  trying  Good player, expecially in post.  One of the few commi players.  He is a bit rusty though.  I would rank him right after Rummel.

3. zing13

Amazing forge, forges better than me.  Understands forge very well.  While he has a good post, I don't see it too often, so I won't make any assumptions.  He can play all govs well though.

(top 3)

2. zachh

Excellent monarchy and capitalist player.  Excels in post with a good forge too.  His post is formidable.  However, maybe he plays monarchy too much.  Better post player than me though.

(top 3)

1. MiamiBigAL  Excellent macro.  He can play forge and post well, but zing's forge right now is better.  His edge, is macro since he knows the exact amout of units/counter and has done extensive testing.  Smart guy too. 

(1ish)

I have tried to look at this from a dispassionate standpoint.  I am telling what I believe is the truth.  If you want to challenge my claims, you are welcome to do so.  Also, if you don't think I should be in the top, we may 1v1.  I will compile a list out of this later.

-fiss

 

Posted Apr 16, '13 at 2:01am

trying

trying

438 posts

erm
Play any organized pro 2v2 and you should be smashed in less than 7 minutes. You try teching to Arsenal and your BQs will die to scouts, saints, and maybe sphinx, your hovers would die to mass chronites, scouts, saints, and possibly snipers.

I thought Rummel liked 1v1s? I remember a time when that was all he did. I guess he got beat a few times from annoying mon rushes and stopped.

 

Posted Apr 16, '13 at 5:13am

guesty9999

guesty9999

23 posts

@ Guesty9999

A. this forum was to decide the colony leaderboard it has done that I think we are pretty much done here.

B. Your thesis on hover battles and bq masses is wrong. I see it happen everyday long standoffs still happen on the elite level every single day. Granted 1v1 marathons are long gone (if there ever were such things) but 2v2s the winner is the one who beats the opponents to a hover tank mass. You just need the skill to survive to that point therefore winning the game. I don't mean to rain on your parade. You just have to play 2v2. If my partner holds out 3 minutes there is a good chance of us winning he gets some help from me at 3 minutes if I posted. At the 5 minute mark if we are alive, not pinned, and I played my strong strategy 16 hover tanks are coming out to support the sphinx and 18 meds I at a minimum have out there. I don't mean to brag, but you need to understand the timing involved.

C. Have a nice day.

Royal

well.

a. I agree. I was off topic, nothing I can do now but apologize. to keep this post somewhat on topic ill just say I pretty much agree with everything fiss said. many of the players I don't even know anymore, so I pretty much trust fiss's judgment about those I don't know.

I'm also not sure where I should be on the list; I used to be very near the top I think, but I'm prett rusty, and get beaten by many of the players on the list. I therefore withhold judgment on myself until i play more, and get my micro back. other people are welcome to give their opinions about how I am now, cuz I just don't know now.

b. ok, it generally doesn't work when I try and explain strategy through text, but I'll try. this is also mostly from memory, since I haven't played any really good 2v2's lately (again, rusty).

basically, pro 2v2 is currently basicly an expansion of 1v1. there are more combinations, but the base stays the same. unless both players build a unit construction building as one of their first to buildings, you are pretty much dead. why? same as 1v1, pinning and field inf give enough of an edge to pretty much withstand anything, even hovers and BQ's. even if you can't pin strongly enough for T3, you can kill them before they manage. did you know it takes only 9 Romans to kill the base? also, 2 ops teams will take care of thing pretty quick as well. in addition, a modikata with Romans kills incredibly quick, and with micro, can dodge missiles.

about the scenario you are describing, lets see how I think things will unfold. me and my bud are going say classic post first and bank forge. you are, I'm assuming, teching as mon, no? either way, your buddy alone has no chance against two other players, and you get pinned in less than a minute. from here on, you lose your inf advantage, since each of us gets as much as you, and can therefore at least mirror your inf units. in addition, we can layer, we can missile, and we can kill you with Romans, teams or whatever. there isn't much you can do, and we can respond to whatever you do.

again, 2v2 is fun, and there are plenty of options. but teching almost never works on seasoned players...

you probably have some counter arguments, and that's fine. I said it is hard to explain, and the best way is to show you. I'd love to play you in game, and I'm sure others will be willing to as well.

c. thank you. I wish you a very good day as well.

again, this is nothing personal, and reading my previous posts, they may have come off as a bit offending, for which I apologize.

 

Posted Apr 16, '13 at 8:56am

royalguy

royalguy

92 posts

My question to you is teching as mon means what.  Bank  armory  treas  hosp  post barracks arsenal warsanc. If so that is a weak teching I tech differently.  bank hosp warsanc armory post barrack arsenal  bankdown  forge. this is more effective. I also didnt mention that getting a bank then your second building takes at least 45 maybe 50 seconds you literally cannot pin in 1 minute with fascist (which is the fastest). My partner gets support at I think 2:45 in from me so you have 1:45 to pin my partner going for the post to stop my partner takes 1:30 you and your partner then have to get across to stop him you have about 30 sec to get to him. you have a full 45 seconds to get a perfect pin before 2 saints or a sphinx and meds come out I bid thee good luck. I may be wrong but this is often what happens my opponents just cant beat my partner well enough in those 45 seconds granted it can definately be done. It is just very difficult. I haven't even mentioned my forge later.

Now back to the topic at hand. I don't mean to be rude but your thoughts on rappy are insane. He is at most 20 I beat 2v2 and 1v1 he is a weak player. I don't think he should be on the list. Barrels comes before him in my book. Maybe myraid99.

1. MiamiBigAl
2. zachh
3. zing13
4. rummel
5. trying
6. Pillola
7. FascistCorps  AKA  Fission12
8. chessmaster102     
9. soccerdude2
10. DesertFang       
11. hezdog     
12. Kilean
13. SoymasterYos
14. peterpandasaevang
15. NullOfPower
16. clausse
17. royalguy
18. dashman123
19. dext200
20. rappy123

I hope this is closer.

 

Posted Apr 16, '13 at 1:29pm

PowerOfSauce

PowerOfSauce

514 posts

Kick out royalguy

Move up 18 places

Add replace it with me

THEN THE LIST WILL BE PERFECT

 

Posted Apr 16, '13 at 4:15pm

SoymasterYos

SoymasterYos

969 posts

POS where are you.  I consider you inactive.  You don't qualify.

 
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